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  • Quran 43:32: Hunter Gatherers And Classless Society

    Posted by Shaharyar Sabeeh on November 3, 2024 at 5:25 am

    https://www.javedahmedghamidi.org/#!/quran?chapter=43&paragraph=10&type=Ghamidi

    Above is the tafseer of Surah Zukhruf verse 32 by Ghamidi Saheb.

    It is suggested that division of material wealth and the existence of class society is necessary in order to continue the flow of the society.

    More importantly, it is also suggested that this division is done by Allah swt himself and this fits in the broader framework of this world being a place of test for mankind.

    Maulana Islahi’s tafseer is also pretty much the same.

    I want to ask where does the existence of hunter gatherer societies fit into all of this?

    Humanity was predominantly hunter-gatherer for the vast majority of its history, and by many accounts, this period was largely classless. Archaeological and anthropological research indicates that humans lived as hunter-gatherers for around 95% of our existence, from the emergence of early hominins over 2 million years ago until the Neolithic Revolution about 10,000 years ago. During this extensive period, small, mobile groups depended on hunting, fishing, and gathering plant foods, which created a highly cooperative, egalitarian way of life.

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 20 hours, 8 minutes ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Quran 43:32: Hunter Gatherers And Classless Society

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar November 4, 2024 at 12:16 am

    The idea that hunter-gatherer societies were classless is difficult to confirm. Women often depended on men, especially during pregnancy and nursing. Those who were weaker or less skilled relied on others for support. Large hunts required group cooperation, and with collective efforts came natural distinctions among leaders and followers, as well as those who were more or less capable.

    • Shaharyar Sabeeh

      Member November 4, 2024 at 10:57 am

      This all might be true but this is all hierarchy not a class system. Hierarchy exists in most aspects of humanity’s social life. From family to business, it is everywhere.

      Even in the socialist states there existed hierarchy in industry and their party structures.

      But what Ghamidi Saheb’s tafseer implies is that classes can never be eliminated and their existence is among part of God’s divine plan for this world. He literally uses the word “tabqaat”.

      Hierarchy elimination is probably the goal of anarchists, not communists. The later are of the idea that it would exist even in higher stages of communism.

      And also, as you have also pointed out, hierarchies were naturally there in hunter gatherer societies. Class existence idea isn’t true for those early societies.

      So again, what does the verse really mean?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar November 6, 2024 at 12:13 am

    The verse is an argument that is based on an existing fact. The argument is that people cannot decide to whom God should send His revelation. God has created the diversity of human abilities and opportunities that naturally lead to diversity in different financial statuses. They cannot decide who should be given more wealth, therefore they cannot decide who should receive the blessing of the divine revelation.

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