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A Question Regarding Branch Application Of An Ayat
Hello there Assallam u alaikum,
https://youtu.be/nrtgNn8weG0?si=03oKnk3S1MZDMA4r
in this video ghamidi Sahab first tells about how the Mushrikeen of Arabs used to do shirk. one of the shirk things was they used to do bidah, which is like accepting someone else’s right to make things halal and Haram and this is like making someone associate of Allah, a shirk. secondly the other was outer manifestation of shirk like Thaan (station) of idols for Nazr and taking someone else’s name while slaughtering an animal.
so when a person does slaughter an animal other than Allah’s name, then because it is associated with Shirk and belief impurity, it becomes Haram to consume and taking Allah’s name but slaughtering it on the station of an idol, they are associated with Shirk. second is, when someone an animal is slaughtered but on it Allah’s name is not taken deliberately (as some Arabs made some bidah that in such specific animal, no one’s name will be taken while slaughtering) so even those animals are Haram to consume. Both types are fisq and animal is associated with fisq and it becomes Haram to consume.
My question is that will this phenomenon that involves shirk or bidah make the outcome Haram in every case as a result?
For example a man who had done some bidah in past.
– he stole or bought a stolen printer and knew it was Haram to use but through some Heela he tried to make it halal and use that printer. the document paper and ink was his own halal earned. so will all the previously printed document be Haram to read?
– second example a person downloads a pirated book and he knew it is Haram to use but he just got involved in Heela and bidah and tried to justify it to himself dishonestly that it’s halal and then uses it to gain knowledge of making software. will this knowledge be specifically Haram to use because he performed bidah and the knowledge he gained was as an outcome of implementing on his Heela/Bidah?
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A Question Regarding Branch Application Of An Ayat
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This has already been discussed many a time. See the previous answers. No heela can turn haram into halal. Knowledge cannot be undone, and Islam does not ask to do the impossible.
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@Irfan76 yes yes sir I am not asking the previous question that if I earn something as a Haram earning and use it.
in previous questions, my question dynamic was that if for example I earned a printer as a remuneration for Haram action then the use of that printer will be Haram but once used, the effects of it, i.e a printed document will not be Haram to use further , because what I’m benefiting from now, will be the paper (my halal earned) and the ink (also halal earned). the only effect the printer produced was imprinting that ink in a design to the paper (that will turn it into a readable document).
Here just a question came after reading that ayah and looking at the way ghamidi Sahab explained it. I thought came that is it possible that according to this ayah, as a branch of it’s illat, will bidah/hilla and shirk be considered differently from general rule?? for example that if while using the Haram printer, if I had made a deliberate bidah convincing myself that “it is not Haram to use the printer”. then in this case, it’s effect ;the printed document will become Haram to benefit from further as well? (unlike above paragraph, where it’s halal to use because now in reading the document, the printer won’t be used anymore)
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This is what you have to decide.
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sir how will I decide it? sir if you can help me in this matter please help me.
can you tell me these 2 things?
1 – I used that Haram printer while believing it is Haram. the printed document will remain impermissible to use or not? as it is not a part of printer itself, the printer was used to imprint the ink. just like using a Haram pen with my halal ink to write a note shouldn’t make, the note itself Haram. the note is not a part of pen.
2 – I used the Haram printer but while using the only additional thing that I did was bidah of dishonestly thinking it to be halal. will it then make the printed document Haram to use according to ayah 121 of surah Anaam?
Can you please tell me whether I am wrong or not in the question 1 and then what will be regarding question 2?
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The principle is that Deen is easy. If you want to go deep into these things, you are making things hard on you. Since it is your choice, you have to decide. If your Taqwa does not allow it, leave them.
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@Irfan76 no sir I’m not in any way wanting to make things hard for myself. just a fear comes in my mind so I wanted your help to clarify it.
1 – if I use a Haram pen while believing it to be Haram, the document written by it, would not later be Haram to read for me and benefit itself, am I right sir?
2 – if I use a Haram pen while having biddah and deliberately considering it to be halal, then will the written document change it’s status to being Haram to benefit from further because of my biddah (shirk manifestation), as an extension of surah Anaam ayat 118-121?
sir can you please tell me these 2 questions as it would help clear my thoughts. firstly, am I right about question 1? secondly, will surah Anaam ayaat and those ayaat that prohibit eating meat of something with other than name of Allah, apply here in my example? or are they specific for eating and slaughtering law only?
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Eating of halal or haram doest apply to other things.
The example You make are about extensions of haram. You can stretch it as long as you can. But the principle is that when something seems difficult to avoid, relaxation is provided. Either accept that relaxation or keep making things haram for you.
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@Irfan76 Okay sir, so the extension of Haram only exist to the Haram earned item itself and not the effects produced by those items am i right sir?
if I’m right sir, then can you just tell me that the effects produced (already written document). making use of those effects further will not remain Haram, but under which explanation of the 2 following?
1- the effects delivered are not always the part of Haram item itself. When we make use of those things further (written/printed document), what we make use of, at this stage is actually the basic already halal paper and ink (that was just arranged in a design and pasted on the paper). The exception of this would be when the object obtained is part of the Haram earned item itself, like in case of cow. when i earn a cow for my Haram work, i am not given the ownership of cow only, but everything produced by its body as well ie milk, wool. so the milk and wool is itself the part of Haram earned item so it will remain Haram.
2 – if effects are considered too, in prohibition, then Deen will become difficult as well. so instead of bounding people to see what effects after being produced, they can avoid relatively easily and then bounding them to avoid it, except when it becomes hard. Deen altogether removed this chapter and no matter if it’s hard to avoid the delivered effects or not. people are not bound to avoid the produced effects as well. like in the above case, avoiding a paper to not read it (the printed document) is not much difficult but still Deen doesn’t bound anyone to leave it and they can continue using that printed paper for benefit.
So sir which explanation is in fact in place?
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You can opt for any one of them or both in different cases.
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@Irfan76 sir but i meant to ask that which one is valid etc.
because explanation 1 tells that a person needs not to bother about the effects that are produced by the Haram earned items and they can continue benefiting from the other halal things which are changed/molded/shaped by that Haram item, which gave them new capabilities regardless of whether it’s easy or difficult to avoid. so i can use those new capabilities because now at this stage if i use it, then I’m not or benefiting directly from Haram earned item itself. For example if i own a Halal wood and i use a haram earned cutter to make it into an arrow. using that cutter was sinful, but once used, it gave the wood a new shape and capabilities (to fly, to cut through flesh).
Now if i further use the arrow to hunt down birds (where both capabilities of flying and cutting through will be used ; as given by the use of Haram earned cutter), i won’t be sinful for using this arrow for hunting. because cutter is not being directly used/benefitted to kill birds now.
but explanation 2 gives a sense that “if it gets difficult to avoid, then one is allowed” this gives a sense that if it’s not difficult, as in case of this arrow example, then one has to get another arrow because it’s easy to avoid the first arrow by throwing it out and buying a new one.
So i just wanted to know which one is Valid explanation in this topic?
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If you have a real problem, you can ask here.
The principle is always there. When it is something unavoidable, or hard, it is allowed.
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