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  • Uncreated Quran Vs Other Books

    Posted by Mumin Ahmad on September 13, 2025 at 2:21 pm

    Assalamu Alaikum

    If I’m not mistaken, the mainstream Sunni belief is that Quran is uncreated because it’s a part of Allah’s Speech, which is one of His attributes. Does this apply to other revealed books as well, for example, the original Torah that was revealed to Musa (A.S) ?

    Moreover, did Quran exist eternally specifically in the Arabic form that we know today?

    What about other books? They were created by humans but of course Allah has always had their knowledge since He’s All-Knowing. I mean these books aren’t eternal but Allah’s Knowledge of them must be, right?

    (I ask Allah for forgiveness if I’ve said anything wrong here)

    I know we’re not advised to not go too deep into such questions but I ended up reading something about this and now I can’t get it out of my mind. Please help me with these doubts.

    Thank You

    Ahsan replied 2 days ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Uncreated Quran Vs Other Books

    Ahsan updated 2 days ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
  • Ahsan

    Moderator September 14, 2025 at 2:36 am

    Please see. Hope this helps

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    • Mumin Ahmad

      Member September 14, 2025 at 11:18 am

      Thank you for your response

      But I still couldn’t get the answer to these questions:

      Moreover, did Quran exist eternally specifically in the Arabic form that we know today?

      What about other books? They were created by humans but of course Allah has always had their knowledge since He’s All-Knowing. I mean these books aren’t eternal but Allah’s Knowledge of them must be, right?

      (I ask Allah for forgiveness if I’ve said anything wrong here)

  • Ahsan

    Moderator September 14, 2025 at 9:01 pm

    In the video Ghamidi sb answered that the Quran is manifestation God Attribute of Kalam and started in specific time. Hence, it was not eternally there.

    Having knowledge is attribute too but delivery to someone happens in specific time. So having knowledge anf giving knowledge to some one is different.

    For other books, we can assume the same.

    Moreover، ghamidi sb consider this as futile debate because,, we cannot reach to any true conclusion without God informing us

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