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When Is Income Earned Be Categorized As Haram?
mr @Umer25 this post is my question about whether my understanding of the work that causes minor sins from the previous post is correct or incorrect.
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For the past few days, I have been thinking about work that causes minor sins. Does the money earned from work that causes minor sins cause major sins or not? That is what I have been thinking about for the past few days. What I mean is, what distinguishes them? When God has told us that as long as we can avoid major sins, our minor sins will be forgiven, then if we have a job that causes minor sins, the money earned should not be the same as a job that causes major sins. That’s what’s always on my mind.
Of course, I determine this using my instincts, but my instincts also tell me that not all behaviors that lead to minor sins can be turned into work, because there is a potential for them to lead to major sins or arrogance. For such things, I myself also disagree.
For example, I can agree with acting out a romantic kiss. Even though he kisses (and this is certainly a minor sin) because it is done in a controlled environment and does not lead to a major sin, I agree with this. However, I cannot agree if someone makes a job out of a woman providing services to kiss other people passionately, because this is the same as imitating prostitution, even though it does not involve sex, but the woman is still giving that person the opportunity to commit adultery. That is why I do not agree with this kind of work, even though the action is the same, the result can be different.
It is the same with hitting someone. Although I agree with boxing and UFC, whose main activity is hitting someone, it is very different from someone whose job is to hit someone just for money according to the target. The latter is clearly a major sin.
What I mean is that even though the main activity is the same, the results can be very different, and I strongly avoid work that leads to minor sins but can lead to major sins. Is my thinking correct, sir?
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When Is Income Earned Be Categorized As Haram?
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sir?
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The primary activity is still different. A person who is doing physical hit jobs is a form of oppression and this earning is Haram no doubt. UFC or boxing is not like this, it is an objectionable activity, but not oppression in this sense. Therefore, while we would encourage a person to not pursue this profession, but still their income cannot be declared Haram.
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Okay, I think I understand a little now.
The determining factor that makes an income haram (a major sin) or not is when the activity can directly lead to a major sin.
It’s like a thug who works as a hitman. Even though he doesn’t kill or torture anyone, he is still committing oppression.
Unlike boxing and UFC, both parties agree to the activity they are doing, meaning they agree to have their faces or bodies hurt (of course, this is not like they agree to be tortured or killed). Therefore, in this case, there is no oppression at all. Although this activity may seem bad, because there is a sense of willingness from both parties, this income is not haram.
And in my opinion, this also applies to acting, such as kissing, or models wearing unstylish clothing.
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Yes, correct.
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Sorry… what I meant to say above was that the clothes were inappropriate (this was because of my phone’s auto-correct feature).
So, in conclusion, work that causes minor sins does not result in unlawful earnings (meaning it is not a major sin). However, the person still commits minor sins, but because they have no intention or their activities do not directly lead to major sins, it is still okay (Although, by nature, such activities should not be done)
Boxing and others mentioned above have been regulated to prevent them from leading to major sins (meaning there are measures to prevent them from leading to major sins, even if they involve minor sins. Whether it’s due to the nature of the minor sin itself or consciously taking preventive actions)
Am I correct, sir?
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With the primary activity being Halal i.e. acting on genuine script, the income is Halal. Minor sins should be avoided and are prohibited nevertheless, but they do not make that income haram which is from Halal means primarily, both intended and disclosed (i.e. meaning the the intention is to make a drama or movie which is primarily based on Halal script and the same intention has been disclosed as well. Consider it in comparison to a movie which is intended to be sexual in nature (intimate scenes etc.) and has been disclosed as such. Here the first movie and its activity is primarily Halal while the latter is primarily Haram).
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Sir, I am still confused about the main activity you are referring to. What do you mean by saying that the main activity is permissible even though there are activities that cause minor sins within it?
For example, if I were a second-rate actor, and the director only asked me to perform intimate or inappropriate scenes in the film, such as kissing or other inappropriate acts (of course, not to have sex, because if I were asked to have sex, that would be a major sin), would my income still be halal?
As a man, I’m honestly happy to get a role like this, but I also don’t want this activity to become a major sin (i.e., having sex).
“Consider it in comparison to a movie which is intended to be sexual in nature (intimate scenes, etc.)” Do you mean pornographic films? If so, that is clearly a major sin.
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Whether it is a pornographic film featuring Person A, or Person A being specifically hired to perform intimate scenes in an otherwise permissible movie, both situations are prohibited, and the income earned by Person A in either case would also be prohibited. In the first scenario, the very nature of a pornographic film is inherently Haram, and therefore all actions performed within it are likewise Haram. In the second scenario, although the movie’s overall script may be permissible, Person A is engaged solely for intimate scenes. Consequently, the primary activity of Person A remains a prohibited act, and thus the income derived from it is impermissible.
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But why, sir?
As far as I know, if the job only causes minor sins and does not lead to major sins, then it is still permissible (even though he commits minor sins).
I agree with the first part; if it’s a pornographic film, then obviously it’s wrong.
But for the second scenario, I’m a bit confused, sir. How can it be haram? Isn’t it still in the realm of minor sins that don’t lead to major sins? Obviously, if it leads to major sins, then it’s immediately haram. However, when he is aware of his limits and only engages in activities that cause minor sins without disturbing others and in a controlled environment, isn’t that okay?
And this is the same as boxing and UFC, where the main activity in the match is hitting people. Although from the outside, this activity only appears to be a sport, many people also do UFC and boxing because they want to prove that they are the strongest or because they like to hit people. However, because doing this in public can cause problems, they join boxing or UFC to avoid these problems. Is this also haram, sir?
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I also got my understanding from this forum:
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sir can you anwer it?
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The act of being intimate itself is Haram/prohibited, even if it is a minor sin.
Boxing is not prohibited in the same category. Besides, the status of boxing or UFC in this current sports format is more of an ijtihadi matter now. But intimacy with opposite gender is clearly prohibited in Islam. Therefore, two cannot be compared in equal sense.
Yes, both could lead to minor sins, but their degree of sinning is not established on equal footing.
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Sir, the intimacy referred to here is adultery (sex), right? Because when I looked up the definition of intimacy, kissing was also included, but acting out a kiss is still considered a minor sin.
So I can conclude that the intimate activities that are prohibited here are those that are very close to adultery (such as exposing private parts).
I believe that revealing private areas to a small group of friends and not publicly displaying them is still a minor sin. However, when this becomes a profession, it is clearly wrong. Is that correct, sir?
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And I agree that if an intimate scene is too vulgar it is wrong (such as holding genitals like husband and wife or nudity), it is the same as giving opportunity for adultery.
That’s why, when I asked about intimate scenes here, I meant those that do not give opportunity for adultery, such as kissing.
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