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Hijab & Niqab
Ghamidi Sahib has said there is no mention of Hijab and Niqab in the Qur’an. The verses in Surah Ahzab was only meant for the wives of Prophet saw due to the conditions prevailing at that time where the munafikeen harassed the women wanting to make scandals of the wives of Prophet saw. It has nothing to do with any instructions of hijab and niqab in our times.. Allah has laid out the etiquettes of gender mixing. Both men and women have to behave modestly in their dress and behaviour. They can work together, study together. If Some of our Ulema want to talk about Hijab and Niqab that is their own doing. ! What is your take on this?
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Hijab & Niqab
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The verse 33:59 was not only meant for the wives of the prophet but to all the believing women at that time.
The purpose of the covering directive was to save the women from being molested.
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يَٰٓأَيُّهَا
O Prophet!
l-nabiyu
ٱلنَّبِىُّ
O Prophet!
qul
قُل
Say
li-azwājika
لِّأَزْوَٰجِكَ
to your wives
wabanātika
وَبَنَاتِكَ
and your daughters
wanisāi
وَنِسَآءِ
and (the) women
l-mu’minīna
ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ
(of) the believers
yud’nīna
يُدْنِينَ
to draw
ʿalayhinna
عَلَيْهِنَّ
over themselves
min
مِن
[of]
jalābībihinna
جَلَٰبِيبِهِنَّۚ
their outer garments.
dhālika
ذَٰلِكَ
That
adnā
أَدْنَىٰٓ
(is) more suitable
an
أَن
that
yuʿ’rafna
يُعْرَفْنَ
they should be known
falā
فَلَا
and not
yu’dhayna
يُؤْذَيْنَۗ
harmed.
wakāna
وَكَانَ
And is
l-lahu
ٱللَّهُ
Allah
ghafūran
غَفُورًا
Oft-Forgiving,
raḥīman
رَّحِيمًا
In this verse do you see any word that means hijab and niqab or orders woman to cover their face?
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Hijab and Niqab are not there.
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Yes but many scholars think that jilbab means a large sheet of cloth that covers a woman from head to toe and she can makes holes in it for her one or both eyes so that she can see the way.
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This is the most ridiculous interpretation I have heard!
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Yes! Mollana maududi, dr ferhat Hashmi and dr Israr Ahmed believe in this,they presents many references from sahaba Ikram to prove their point of view. Today burqah or Abaya is modern shape of jilbab.Niqab is included in it beacuse purdah starts from your head and end at your toe.
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Yes I know Maulana Maududi, Farhat Hashmi and Dr Israr think this way. Let me tell you something that Farhat Hashmi did which disturbed me so much that I decided I would never ever listen to her. I was attending her classes. All she talked about was Jehanam, the wrath of Allah. What was the last straw was she said one day that even if a bone in a woman’s neck is seen she will go to hell. Is this is what our Deen teaches us? She made me so depressed that I wanted to run away from Islam. I’m sure she did a lot of good things too but I can only tell you of my experience with her. Yes she is always in a Hijab and Niqab
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Farhat Hasham is very respectable scholar. We also learnt Deen from her. Due to her I try to learnt many surah and duas by heart. But in some matter we can follow one scholar and the on other issue we can follow another because they all teaching us Quran.
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Ghamidi sahab has explained his viewpoint on this topic in a very detailed manner. Please refer to this discussion for videos:
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I appreciate Ghamidi sahib and think he is like a fresh air or a window so we can see our Deen from different angle. Many women who chose to no wear abaya or hijab always feel guilty. I wear abaya but these talks also disturb me I understand Ghamdi Sahib’s view on it and agree with him. Pray for him because he makes Deen easy for us not only on this issue, he clears the way of Deen for all Muslims. Allah bless him with success and happiness Ameen
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If you think Ghamidi saab’s view makes more sense in logical and proper understanding of Qur’an, it is fine.
However, you shouldn’t accept his view on the basis of it making the deen easy for you. That’s convenience based approach.
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We can follow a scholar who make Deen easy for us because Allah wants ease for us and if we know something that is in accordance with Quran and sunnah then we will still say we like difficulties. I listened Ghamdi sahib Carefully and he explains his points according to Quran and sunnah success fully so that’s why I appreciate his efforts.
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Yes, if you think Ghamidi saab explains Qur’an and Sunnah in a way which makes sense to you, it is perfectly fine.
I am just making it clear that the reason shouldn’t be that other scholar is suggesting difficult thing for you, and Ghamidi saab is suggesting easy thing for you.
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Sorry to say but we have to follow Quran and Sunnah, but not any scholar. Alhamdulillah we have opportunities to listen different scholars but only to learn our deem better. Ultimately we have to follow Quran and Sunnah.
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I also agree with Ghamidi Sahib, May Allah bless him and may he always guide us according to the Qur’an and Sunnah
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Ameen
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One of the Sahaabah said to him, “O Messenger of Allaah, what about the brother-in-law?”
He said: “The brother-in-law is death!”
[Bukhaaree, Fath al-Baari, 9/330]
Is this an authentic Hadith.Should a woman wear hijab and niqab in the presence of his brother in law.
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Jazak Allah khair
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Read all scholars, follow views of which ever scholar you understand makes sense on one topic. On another topic follow another scholar. If you like Dr Farhat Hashmi, do follow her and accept what she says. I don’t because I do not believe in her interpretations of the Qur’an.
Allah has given us our intellect to use. Read the Qur’an yourself, mark the portion you are not understanding and then consult the scholar who explains it best to you. We must listen to all scholars with an open mind to find out more and better meanings of God’s message. This is our own test in our life! We alone can take it!
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I only want to know about the above Hadith is it authentic or not.yes I also want to learn deen and want to why we decided something on the base of such ahadith because it’s very difficult to adopt a lifestyle like this in your in laws.
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There are only one or two who has the Ghamidi sahib’s view and other all scholars have the same ferhat hashmi’s opinions about hijab and niqab you can listen dr Israr Ahmed, mufti munk, engineer Ali and other scholars they are more strict than Farhat Hashmi. I also agree with Ghamidi sahib’ opinion. Hopefully in coming years many other scholars will accept Ghamidi sahib’s opinion. Dr zakar Nike also says that if women don’t wear niqab it’s ok but if she wears that’s better.
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Listen to him,what can we say now. That’s way I agree with Ghamdi sahib’s opinion. He is doing a great effort to convey the truth in the presence of these mollanas.
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I feel I don’t need to listen to 10 scholars on Niqab and Hijab. Ghamidi Sahib has explained Purdah from the Qur’an and it is very clear. I like listening to Mufti Menk. He is brilliant but it does not mean I’ve to accept every word he says. People argue with Ghamidi Sahib on different issues and he then clarifies every thing with ” daleel”. Even then I know people who do not agree with him
I do not listen to Zakir Naik or Dr Israr or Eng Ali or Maulana Maudoodi. I do not consider myself ultra modern but I have my views on Niqab and Hejab. I have seen all Ghamidi Sahib’s clips on Purdah and they have totally convinced me. This is a free world where we have to move with the world. I don’t think it would matter to Ghamidi Sahib if other scholars in future agree with him !
Ayema you should follow the scholar who convinces you the most
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Rafia, how sir JG reasoning convinced you that the min requirements for a woman to cover is from below neck to below knees? I hardly tried to understand but I can t.Perhaps you saw something that I did not?
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You can check out Dr. Shabir Ally. He is a well known scholar in Canada. See his fatwa on how hijab is not mandatory in Islam:
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But we are discussing this topic we have to see other opinions to make sure we made a good decision.We should discuss good or bad aspects of this a to gain some knowledge. If we satisfy and firmly believe than no question arise. I only want to know about to this Hadith and how should we interpret it? I am sorry if I am bothering you.
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No bother. If you’re referring to the hadith regarding brother in law, the video shared by Umer sahab above addressees it.
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I watched this thank you Jazak Allah
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Ayema in the above clip on Purdah the Maulana is saying that even in the little girls Jamaat Islami schools the teachers wear hijab and niqab to teach little girls! I’m in unbelievable shock!
I don’t know what to say!
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Yes that’s way I want to discuss this topic in detail. When we talk someone on this topic we have a strong reference to convince him or her.
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Do we have any idea about how Hazarat Fatima observed hijab ? If she did, was it her personal choice or an example for other muslim women to religiously follow ?
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The personal sunnah of Hazrat Fatima does not mean it is mandatory upon all Muslim women.
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I just want to know – Does Hijab is obligatory?
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Ghamidi sahab has explained his viewpoint on this topic in a very detailed manner. Please refer to this discussion for videos:
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As far as I know Hijab is not obligatory.
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Quote:”Yes but many scholars think that jilbab means a large sheet of cloth that covers a woman from head to toe and she can makes holes in it for her one or both eyes so that she can see the way.”
This is pretty much ridiculous understanding & is traditional … thus in majority!. Farhat Hashmi (from alHuda), Israr are branches of the tree named Madudi! Thus no difference among them. Jilbab is loose clothing extent of which (like head to toe) isn’t defined!
Logically such a garment (with holes for the eyes) deems ‘having a chocolate’ in public impossible for females 😱
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I totally agree with Ghamidi Sahib on this. My opinion is that the instructions were specific to prophet’s wives. Although it is not a bad idea to do hijab or Niqab with actual goal of modesty in the heart to gain extra credit.
I have observed that Hijab or Niqab for many women is more as a cultural attire than having to achive actual goal of achieving modesty. You can see many women wearing hijab or Niqab and tight skinny jeans.
Hijab or Niqab must start from heart. The ones who really want to go extra mile and get extra credit with go to the limits of covering themselves completely.
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Quote: The ones who really want to go extra mile and get extra credit with go to the limits of covering themselves completely.
Factually this is the real problem sir. When women are taught that they will get EXTRA CREDIT by adopting immense segregation; they tend NOT to play any role in nation building. That is why Muslim females have no lineage in science & philosophy! One should read here that Soviets were immensely successful in integrating female workforce in nation building.
Statue of liberated women:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_a_Liberated_Woman
One must read about Jadidis history:
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Thank you for your opinion. I am not clear how optional hijab or Niqab that is women’s personal choice hinders them from education, science, politics, job or anything at all? Perhaps you may be referring to what is expected in our society or imposed on women is causing issues?
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Women not excelling has nothing to do with Islam there may be other reasons. I can give you a list of non-Muslim cultures and countries where women do not or did not excel and they were severely oppressed. Look at history of China, Japan, many Asian countries, African countries, even many Caucasian countries. In India women were and still being oppressed and majority do not do well. Perhaps the reason is that we are not encouraging women, perhaps we are not financially well or not supporting them, perhaps because we are (men) themselves are not mostly well educated (neither in Islam or Worldly knowledge). Islam is easy to blame, but I think true Islam is the solution.
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Sir,
I had carefully used the phrase IMMENSE SEGREGATION! In this context if you observe females NOT participating in nation building things will become crystal clear. If the ‘voice of female’ increases male testosterone levels …you get the idea of immense segregation & how will it hinder professional workspace.
Regarding your examples about India, Africa …I prefer not to indulge in whataboutism
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Usama, most respectfully, do you think Hijab is the issue or other reasons. I gave other examples because they prove that Hijab is not the cause, but something else. Plus as I stated Hijab is a personal choice. We can’t take a personal choice away from someone or we’ll be guilty of oppression. And Hijab or modesty is not just for women, it is equally on men too. Islam doesn’t support men to wear speedos in the public either.
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-No where in the Quran or in any authentic hadith does it command women women to wear hijab, niqab, burka, jilbaab etc.
-Allah does mention khimar (a type of head covering) in the Quran. He mentions it because it was already worn by Arab women. It was already in existence before Islam was revealed. Allah mentioning this is not the same as him commanding it. Read that again if you must. Mentioning something does not equal a command. Again, Allah only mentions it because it was already worn by the women at the time. Arab culture and Arab customs does not mean it is mandatory for all Muslims to follow.
-There is no authentic hadith that commands hijab, niqab, jilbab, burka etc. There is a hadith where the Prophet pbuh told a woman that she must cover everything except her hands and face, but this hadith is weak. There are authentic hadiths about what the Prophet’s wives did in regards to covering their heads and faces, but that was their own personal sunnah. Sunnah is not fardh.
-Historical Muslim cultures, such as the subcontinent (which includes the countries of Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh) never had a concept of hijab, niqab, jilbab, burka etc. This is why to this day, the majority of Muslim women in Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh do not cover their heads. Even in rural areas of these countries where globalization and liberalism hasn’t been able to reach yet, it is common to see women with their heads uncovered. Yes, the British did colonize the subcontinent. But they left culture and religion to the locals. This is why Muslim (and Hindu and Sikh) women in the Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh still wear their traditional shalwaar khameez and saari clothes; clothes that have been worn by women in this subcontinent for thousands of years.
-The general idea is for women to be modest. Modesty varies by culture, place, and time. However, modesty always includes the idea that women must cover their breasts, butt, vagina, legs, and any seductive/sexual behaviour. The latter can be done by women who are either completey naked or covered head to toe in hijab, jilbaab, burka, niqab etc. An example of this is twerking. This can be done by naked women, or by women who are wearing hijab. Another example is zina (adultery or fornication). Naked women can do it, and we know that Muslim women in hijab engage in zina in our countries back home (as do Muslim men of course).
-The above mentioned aspects of modesty is necessary because this is what we men like to see. We men get aroused at a woman’s breasts, butt, vagina, legs, and sexual or seductive behaviour. This is what horny teen boys search for on their smart phones and computers. We men do not get sexually aroused simply at the sight of a woman’s face, hair, arms, or feet (there is an ijma by the way that a woman’s feet is not awrah by traditional conservative scholars). We men and horny teen boys enjoy seeing women’s private parts. We also enjoy sexual/seductive behaviour by women who are completely covered in hijab, or completely naked.
-There is a difference between women who happen to be curvy (have bigger breasts, butt, hips) and women who purposely show off their body. Don’t forget this. Similarily, the clothing of women changes by culture to culture. Just because it is different from yours, it doesn’t mean it is haraam. It is just different.
Dr. Shabir Ally is a well known scholar of Islam. He had defended Islam for decades from aggressive Islamophobes. He has converted many people to Islam as well. Here is his answer as to why hijab is not compulsory:
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