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Creation Of Hell Goers
When Allah already knew which particular people would land up in hell and would also not wisely use their free will, why did He not cancel their creation instead of allowing the tragedy to happen on them? Prevention is better than cure, even we humans choose, so why not God? What was the problem simply creating a heaven directly with all perfect people?
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Creation Of Hell Goers
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What if your school teacher did something like that? Everyone will say that injustice has been done to us.
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Does the school teacher know the future result? If he does, then would he not make arrangements to altogether avoid the embarrassing & distressing failure of the student?
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Jab students ka khud hi pass hone ka plan nai hai toh teacher kyun arranments krta phire ..plus jin students k struggle k bawjood ache marks nai aty unko unki struggle ka ajar milega …jo students sb kuch janne k bawjood b Rebel bna rahay wo hell k hi laik hai or yahi sb se brra insaaf hai usne apni jaan pr khud zulm kia na k Allah ne …
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Student ghalati karega toh teacher bhi isko taalna hi chahenge…..ghalati hogi jaankar is haalat ko hone thode hi denge?
Sab kuchh jisko aap keh rahe hain, ye yaqeen rakhne walon aur prophet sahab ki raay hain, zaroori nahin ki auron ko is se ittefaq ho….unki apni traditions bhi hain, apni soch bhi hain. Unka islami tasavvurat se koi waasta nahi bhi ho sakta hai…..toh iske liye jahannm nahin ho sakta
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Mere bhai ap pehle test ki inner core main toh jayein ap toh test ko hi smjh nai paa rahay k test kia hota hai …agr pta hai toh itna toh maloom hona chahiye apne experience se k 1 teacher chahta k uske saray students kamyab hon wo 2 raaste bta deta hai ab test toh students ka shuru hona hai na aik rebel kese wo test pass skta jiski intentions hi pure na hon …Allah ne shetan ko mohlat di usko bharkanay main sath rehmat k farishte b paida kiye usko sahi raah pr lanay k liye …toh jab usne humein irada or ikhtyar dia hai toh kasoor hamara hoga agr hum sb kuch jannne or smjhne k bawjood b uska inkaar krein …
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Jo ye ek test hai, is baat se hi toh ittefaq nahin ho raha, kyun ki agar ye test hi hota, toh result pehley hi pataa tha Unko, aur wey paida hi nahin karte jahannm jaane walon ko…isliye ye theory sabke liye fact nahin bhi ho sakti hai.
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Sabse basic baat ye hai k ap Khuda ko mante hain ya nai agr mante hain toh ap sbse pehle uska paigam prrein ge k uska kia irada hai is sbko paida krne main jo …lekin agr nai mante toh ye sawal krne ka maksad hi kia jab ap ne sbse brre fact ko deny krdia k ye duniya imtehan hai aik ..hum sb toh yahan imtehan main mubtla hain pr ye khawahish rakhte hain k uski abdi zindagi main jga paa skein is imtehan main kamyab hoskein or agr kamyab hogye toh apka sawal toh kuch b nai hai mujy khud bouht kuch poochna hai 😁😁 ..ap k maa baap ne apko paida kia …or ap b nasal jaari rakhein ge ..kia ye kabhi socha k ap is sb main galat sabit hoye toh ap apni ane wali nasal ko b iss sab main dakailein ge begair unki permission liye ???? Ye sb apki batein apne ap main hi aik sawalian nishan hai
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Jo ye ek test hai, is baat se hi toh ittefaq nahin ho raha, kyun ki agar ye test hi hota, toh result pehley hi pataa tha Unko, aur wey paida hi nahin karte jahannm jaane walon ko.
Ab aap yaqeen karen ya nahin, koi aur kyun kare? Uski marzi…..tab jahannm kyun ho?
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Kyun k bhai ap makhlooq hain khaliq nai faisla wo krrega ap nai apko sirf ye fikr honi chahiye k ap is imtehan main kamyab ho payein ge k apne liye jahanumm kamayein ge ..agr ap jahanumm main apne apko imagine nai krpatay to apko poore mamle ko aik dfa phr se smjhne ki zaroorat hai ..choice apki hai
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Ye sab zaati tasavvurat hain, sabke liye kyun ho? Imtehaan ho hi nahin sakta na, kyunki nateeja unko already pataa thaa aur wey taalna hi chate aise haalaat, paida hi na karke
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Bhai nateeja unko pta apko toh nai na ??? 1 teacher ko pta hota sara saal uska student kia krta raha hai akhri time pr b prh le toh wo pass hoskta ap ne kabhi asa hota dekha k teacher ne nalaik students ko final imtehan b nai dene dia kyun k wo janta pehle se hi iska kia anjaam hone wala !!! Jab duniya walay imtehan ko hi smjh nai parahay toh akhirat walay ko kese smjho ge
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Unhone jahannm jaane walon ko paida kyun kiya phir? Isliye keh raha hoon ki khudaa ka tasavvur iss tarah na karen. Ye toh unpar ghalati ka ilzaam lagaana ho gaya ki sab kuch jaante huye bhi nahin band kiya unki paidaaish ko
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Hamara tassawar ye nahi hai apko koi galay fehmi hoi hai kisi Facebook post se 😁
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Unhone jahannm jaane walon ko paida nahin kiya kya? Kya ghalatfehmi huyi hai? Unki paidaaish cancel kee jaa sakti thhi na sabkuchh sahi rakhne ke liye?
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Pehle ap iska toh jawab dein apko unpr tars kyun araha ??? Jab wo khud apni jano pr zulm kr rhay begair apni akhrat ka soche ??? Aik disbeliever hi ye baat kre ga na ?? Jisko ye yakeen na ho Allah majood hai or hum imtehan main hain ?? Agr sb sahi hote toh imtehan kesa Usne jannat k b darjaat bnaye jahanumm k b apko nai lgta insan k liye kia kaafi hona chahiye ?? Sbka rank jannat or jahanumm main b same nai hoga unki bure hone ki hadd or unke ache hone ki hadd ki bina pr faisla hoga …agr ap nai manna chahte toh koi apko force nai kr raha k ap mano k khuda majood hai ya nai balkay apko pehle smjhna chahiye imtehan kia hota hai
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creator ne kisi ko bhi bura bana kar paida nahi kiya pehle ise samajhle,achche ya bure ham apne kaamo se bante hai,kafir ki difination samjhe or sirf kafir jahannum me jayenge aisa bhi nahi hai iske liye aap ghamidi sahab ko video deekhe,aap heaven or hell ke nam se irritate hai to ise jane de,ek achcha insasn banke rahna chaheye ye to mante hai ya nahi.
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Heaven and Hell is not God’s problem. It’s our problem.
The existence of Hell and Heaven shows the absolute importance of every breath of yours on this earth.
When you realize that you don’t have a tomorrow except God’s permission and you are going to stand accountable for your actions so far and the life that you are living has rules to follow, it will make you show gratitude towards God for His blessings upon you, mould your life according to God’s law(the Quran), ask forgiveness for your ignorance so far and fear Him.
The very thought that God is going to bring your death will make one submissive.
This is exactly what God wants from human beings, thank Him and fear Him in the unseen and worship Him.
The one who does not pay attention and leads life according to his own intentions is ungrateful to God and deserves to meet the penalty.
So without Heaven and Hell, life is just a pastime and has no significance at all.
How can the whole life could be for nothing, when each and every thing that we do in our daily life has a purpose behind it?
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How do you know these are facts apart from a mere belief without proof? And u did not answer the question by the way.
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Allah says your life is a test.
Do you have proof that your parents are indeed yours?
No human being on earth possesses the information why he came to this earth and why he is going to die and who created this universe that he lives in.
The answer for the above questions must come from someone who created us and this universe. He is Allah.
Quran is the last Book of Allah as guidance for human beings to make them aware of who is their Creator and what is ahead after their death and what they have to do to succeed in the next life.
Allah says the purpose of creation of human beings is to believe and worship Him.
There is no other Book on earth which has this information.
If you think the above information is insignificant for you, then try to remain here on earth forever or wait for the proof that will come after death.
Life is a test, if you see Allah here itself you can not disobey Him and you will lose your freewill. You have a choice till your death which may come now.
Here are some verses from the Book of Allah
Quran 50:19
And the intoxication of death will bring the truth; that is what you were trying to avoid.
Quran 10:4
To Him is your return all together. [It is] the promise of Allah [which is] truth. Indeed, He begins the [process of] creation and then repeats it that He may reward those who have believed and done righteous deeds, in justice.
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1st para: Why a test when the result was already known?
2nd para: I may not have proof, but what difference does it make? (but today’s genetics give that proof too)
3rd para: did it come from the supposed creator? Did u meet Him? Ur just believing another’s words, wch is fine but it’s not a proof.
YOU STILL DID NOT ANSWER THE MAIN QUESTION ON TOP.
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1st para: if you know your result, please let us know. Or if you think you have a chance to come to the right path, doors are always open. First read Quran and reflect yourself upon it and then speak.
2nd para: Similarly you will get your proof after your death anyway .
Allah will say to those who rejected believing in Him
Quran 6:30..
If you could but see when they will be made to stand before their Lord. He will say, “Is this not the truth?” They will say, “Yes, by our Lord.” He will [then] say, “So taste the punishment because you used to disbelieve.”
3rd para: There is no need to believe if I met Him. I believe because I’m going to meet Him after death.
Abhijit, Allah says that human being himself chose to be part of this test. You came to this world by choice. So the funny questions that you are asking now can’t be asked after death, because after death you will remember you coming to this world by choice.
What are you going to lose if your Creator knew your fate?
It underlines His superiority over His Creation.
If I say that the Creator doesn’t know your fate then you would say the Creator is ignorant of His creation.
You know very well your parents, your lifespan are predestined. Similarly, you know you have a choice to choose the right path now.
Please know the basic message of Islam
1) Allah is only one and there is no other god
2) The purpose of your life is to believe in Allah and worship only Him, not fake deities and your desires.
3) After death, you are accountable for your actions on this earth. Those who believed and did good deeds will enter heaven.
Islam is not a new religion, it is the first and only religion given by God to mankind. All other religions are fabricated versions of Islam. That is why you will see ‘God is One’ in books of almost all religions.
Allah does not need you, you need Him, because you chose to come here and you know you are going to die.
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Why did God create hell goers ??? One would go for preventing rather curing later.
Core question.
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Please know the core rule of God
Al-Anbiya 21:23
He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned.
We are destined to die, not God. We have to choose a submissive attitude towards God rather than questioning the One who is going to bring your death.
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If He is not questioned, why should we admit such a philosophy in our lives by surrendering our basic faculty and right of reasoning and free will?
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Whatever faculties and freewill that you have are given by Allah.
Abhijit, you and me were just a sperm drop, when you were born, you knew nothing. From level zero to whatever you have , it is from Allah.
And you are going to become zero again when you will die.
Each and every thing in the world has no option but to obey Allah, your own body is obeying Allah, no matter whatever you do, your body will separate itself from you one day and nobody can stop it.
You have been given a free will till your death.
Abhijit, we eat as animals do, we shit as animals do, we will die as animals do. But we have been given some extraordinary faculties to see whether we are grateful or not. You don’t have anything except a small period between birth and death here and death is coming soon.
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Faculties are mine and not of any imagination or philosophy. I may use them independently and not surrender them to anything
Explanations of how things are taking place can’t be thrust on others against the gunpoint of hell. U define it by Allah, and I may do so by something else. Can’t be given hell for using that personal entitlement.
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aap ka question achcha hai,lakin iska answer jo hame samajh aata hai vo shayad ye ho sakta hai ke,jis tarha ham class me ek teacher se parte hai or end me aapne course ka exam dete hai to teacher examination time me hamari answer sheet ko deekhta hai or jan leta hai ke ye incorrect hai lakin examanination time me vo kuch nahi kahta kyunki ye time aapke un cheezo ko zahir karne ka hai jo aap ne teacher se seekha hai.ise tarha hamara exam time death tak hai ab aapne syllabus ko par ke samjha ya nahi samjha result to tab milega jab sabka exam ho jayega,jis tarha teacher ko farq nahi parta ke student koi bhi ans de,ye student ka career hota hai teacher ne aapni duty puri kardi,use tarha khuda ki shaan pe koi farq nahi parta log sahi kare ya ghalat usne hame bata diya hai ke kis tarha jeena hai,kyunki mohlat to mout tak hi hai,achcha ya bura kuch waqt ke baad pata chal jayega.prevention to starting se insano ke paas hai,sare achche log heaven me pehle se bhej diye jate to exam kaisa
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Wahih toh main bhi poochh raha hun ki exam kis waaste? Kya zaroorat thhi fail karne walon ko paida karne ki????
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insaano ki zyaadti deekhte hue ye khayaal to hota hai ke bure loogo ko dunya me bheja hi kyun gaya,lakin ye ikhteyar us creator ka hai ham isme bebas hai,hamse parvardigar ne jo mutalba kiya ham use hi pura karle, jaisa zynie ne bhi kaha.
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Jab ye cancel ho sakta tha, toh unka ikhtiyar kehkar sawaal ko chhupaaya nahin jaa sakta. Isko justify karen. Kehne ka matlab ye hai ki aap unke mutaalbe ko poora karna chahen toh beshaq karen par kaafir ko ye karne ki koi wajah zaroor dein sahi jawaab ke zariye, warna uska jahannm bheja jaana justified nahin hai
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Ap filhal exam main kamyab hone ki sochein 😁 Jis ne paida kia hai.. kyun kia! jab uss hasti se milein ge toh ye b pooch lein ge
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Ye jo koi exam hai, aur na poora karne pe jahannm hoga, is hi par tph sawaaliya haalat paida huyi hai mere sawaal se: ki agar sach mein aisa huwa hota, toh jahannm jaane walon ki paidaaish cancel bhi toh kee jaa sakti thhi, isliye ye test hai aur jahannm hoga kaafir ka, inn baaton pe sawaaliya haalat paida hui hai….koi confirmed sach NAHIN rahe ye ab
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I think that rather than asking why God created people who might dwell in hell, a more apt question would be why did God create people at all? Especially when he had already created angels who do not disobey him.
Any answer that we come up with to such questions, or any question for that matter, must be based on one or more of the four sources of knowledge that we have: a) empirical evidence, b) intellect, c) established history, and finally d) scripture. Unfortunately, none of these source have clear answers to either one of these questions.
We do, however, know that our life does not end on death. Furthermore, we know that the life of this world is created on the principle of test, and that those of us who do well in this test will be granted a life of eternal joy and comfort beyond our wildest imagination. Finally we know that some of us will not be able to make it to the promised life of joy and comfort, but that result will purely be based on our own free will.
Despite the fact that our sources of knowledge do not allow us to know everything that there is to know at this time, we do have enough information in order to make sound decisions to move forward. This no different than any other long term planning we do in our lives, for example, in terms of our education, career, family, etc. With that in mind, it would be wise if we defer such questions to a time when we will meet our Creator on the day of judgement. At that time, I am certain that He will share more details with us and won’t leave any of our questions unanswered. In the meanwhile our undivided focus should be on how we can do well in this test so that we don’t miss out on a fascinating life that awaits us!
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Your last two paragraphs are clear presumptions based on blind belief about holding the words of the Quran as true, whereas the question itself is on its veracity!!! You should be able to answer with justification why people themselves were created over and top of Angels. As soon as you call it a test, I will counter question as to why the test when the result is already known and why not avoided the misery when there was the option. This is good enough to put a doubt on this kind of a philosophy if not also negate it, with divisive and derisive impact on humanity making two groups of momins and kafirs and the latter unnecessarily being sent to hell dishonouring their freedom of choosing their personal ideal. I must definitely congratulate for your word salad, however.
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There’s no blind belief at all, but I can definitely see how someone might get that idea by only looking at the part of the picture. In fact, during a phase in my own lifetime I made that exact same error and naively argued on the same grounds. However, now I know very well that the belief that’s required (and is very much possible) is based on undeniable evidence, and is established on exactly the same grounds as any other credible knowledge.
If you have a question regarding belief, please create a new post so that we can keep discussions on track and properly organized.
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if you cannot answer simple questions like why the humans were created, the future hell goers’ creation was not cancelled to prevent tragedies, why a non-believer should relinquish his freedom of choice or go to hell, what is the point in starting a new debate? These questions on not being logically answered points at the big possibility that your philosophy may not necessarily be true and the scheme of things as described may not necessarily be facts
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My friend, believe me – there’s no compulsion. No one is forcing you to create new posts or ask questions. You have joined this forum out of your own free will, and there won’t be any hard feelings if you quit using it. As a matter of policy, we only tackle a single question in a post so that we can keep things organized and useful for future readers
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Another word salad! Answer the question, my friend!!!!
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Good and bad are the sides of a coin…so if there is no bad..there is no meaning of good and vice versa…so if there had been only a heaven, you even wouldn’t imagine what you have got and would not appreciate it or thank god for it…
Now so when he created heaven and hell, he made some rules for the goers and said those who will believe in me and do good deeds will go to heaven or else choice is yours however he gave us free will and choice even to not believe in him…..to be continued
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To not be satisfied even with a perfect heaven without earning it only states of an imperfect mental state of the created….. Which is the again not possible to imperfectly create such by a perfect God…. And in that case the recipients of the heaven also should not have been created and only God should have existed himself all alone in supreme perfection
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khuda ka koi chahita nahi ha k wo fikr kary ksi ki, fikr makhlooq ko apni khud krni ha, khuda hamesha se akela tha ha or rhy ga, hum usky bachy nhi jo wo hamary jahannum ma jany ki fikr kry,na hi khuda makhlooq jese emotions rakhta ha jiska aap bar bar apny sawal se izhar kr rhy ha,wo pak ha k makhlooq jese koi chez usmy ho,wo makhlooq se bht bht buland ha,wohi pak ha wohi beniyaz ha,wo hamari tarah nhi ha jo emotions ma beh jye,ap keh rhy ha k khuda ye jnta tha k kon jahannum ma jayen gy to jahanum hi na banata or kafir jahannum ma na jaty, khuda to ye bhi chah sakta tha or chah skta ha k sab insano ko bina pochy jahanum ma dal dy to kon hoga us se pochny wala k ye apny kion kia.wo chahy to ksi ko first time peda hi na krta or wo abhi bhi chahy to sab ko khatam krdy to kis bani hui chez ma jurat ha k wo banany waly se pochy k ye apny kion kia,wo chahta to bnaty sath hi ibadat ma haesha k liye laga deta,wo chahta to bnaty sath hi hamesha k azab ma dal deta to kon hta us pak zaat se pochny wala,wo chahta to sab ko jannat ma dal deta or dal dy abhi bhi kon ha us se pochny wala.wo zinda tha zinda ha or rhy ga.or wohi to wahid zaat ha jo haqiqi zindagi rakhti ha.khuda qurn pak ma sureh ambia ma farmata ha wo sab se purshish krega us se koi purshish nhi krta na krega ksi kam k karny ki,or ye sab jo baaty ma ne ki ha sab ki sab khalis aqli or logical ha,yani k agar aik zaat ha banany wali to phir ye aqli takaza ha k wo zaat azad bhi ho faislo ma,jo chahy krny wali ho koi us se pochny wala na ho.mujhy ab umeed ha k ab apko jawab mil gya hoga.
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Agar hum majboori ki haalat mein hain, toh iska ye matlab nahin ki kisi bhi tasavvur ko maan lein. Ho sakta hai ki wajahaat kuchh aur hi hon aise khuda ke bajaaye. Aise khuda ke aage jhukna toh phir sharm ki baat hogi, aapne jis tarah ke khuda ka tasavvur kiya
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God alone is perfect …nothing else is perfect… God does not need to creat another God by creating something perfect like him… He is unique and so forbids creating image or statue for him as it will be diminutive to him…He already was there in his perfection….it is just his Will that He created us…. Like your parents did not ask you before bringing u in this world…now we can’t undo it… What we can do is follow the guidance of our father and make our future happy and bright..
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Are these all assumptions based on belief and without concrete proof? My point is if this philosophy is kept limited within believers, personal choice doesn’t get compromised, but if non believers are proposed to go to hell upon not believing, then there starts the issue. They too after all may have their own unique philosophy. The counter question posted above as to why hell goers were created raises the possibility of critical thinking.
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As I have stated before, the belief in God is based on undeniable evidence. If you have questions regarding belief in God, please create a new discussion.
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