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  • Were Islamic Battles All Defensive?

    Ahmad Shoaib updated 3 years, 8 months ago 3 Members · 17 Replies
  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor January 19, 2021 at 3:49 pm

    Why would 9:14 mean punishment when it comes with (يعذبهم الله بايديكم) when the makkans simply gave makkah over? How is that a punishment

  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator January 19, 2021 at 4:04 pm

    no

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 19, 2021 at 5:56 pm

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 19, 2021 at 5:58 pm

      What about the above graphic I gave? What is false in it? Don’t they show that most were a defensive retaliation?

    • $ohail T@hir

      Moderator January 19, 2021 at 6:05 pm

      Were Islamic Battles “All” Defensive?

      Answer: No (Note All in your question)

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 19, 2021 at 6:12 pm

      Which ones were offensive?

    • $ohail T@hir

      Moderator January 19, 2021 at 6:20 pm

      pls see this: Discussion 1114 • Reply 1114

      There is book by Ammar Khan Nasir on this thread (in Urdu – on Jihad)

    • $ohail T@hir

      Moderator January 19, 2021 at 6:22 pm
  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor January 22, 2021 at 9:39 am

    The two discussions linked only show that wars against oppression were conducted. Where is the irrefutable evidence in light of the image I shared above, that there was any punishment given in accordance to itmam e hujjah?

  • Afia Khan

    Member January 22, 2021 at 9:59 am

    I think you are referring this comment

    I think it is because of the law of itmam-e-hujjat. The people of the previous prophets, who rejected them were punished by natural disasters by Allah SWT. And the whole nations were destroyed under those Adhab illahi.

    Qitaal fi Sabeel Allah (somehow called Jihaad now) was under the same law. It was the order of Allah.

    Our beloved Prophet MPH mostly fight defensively. Prophet’s defensive battles, like Badr, Uhud, Ahzab and Hunayn, were where the enemy launched an offensive against the Muslims. While battles like Khaybar, Mu‘tah or Tabuk, where the Muslim state was aware of the enemy’s plans of aggression, resulted in a need to strike pre-emptively as a form of defense.

    It is also because of Rehmah that not the whole nation was destroyed even after the conquest of Makkah.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 22, 2021 at 10:01 am

      I see. But then where is the sunnah of Allah if there was no punishment like this?

    • Afia Khan

      Member January 22, 2021 at 10:02 am

      That is his mercy and Rahma. His another Sunnah Alhamdulillah!

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 22, 2021 at 10:04 am

      No. The sunnah is jaza and Saza. This Sunnah never changes. The sunnah itself is that rahma is not shown because it is not appropriate when there is this level of rebellion

    • Afia Khan

      Member January 22, 2021 at 10:56 am

      Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “When Allah completed the creation, He wrote in His book with Him upon the Throne: Verily, My mercy prevails over My wrath.”

      Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3022, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2751

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 22, 2021 at 10:59 am

      That is not relevant to the sunnah

    • Afia Khan

      Member January 22, 2021 at 11:07 am

      I think for the previous Prophets they ask for adhab illahi. But Prophet Muhammad MPBH even after he had the oppertunity, ask for the forgiveness from Allah and pardoned everyone.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor January 22, 2021 at 2:22 pm

      The prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم has no power to pardon anyone. It is the sunnah of God to punish and reward. How do you know no other prophet asked for punishment?

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