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  • Is Heaven And Hell From The Mutashabihaat?

    Posted by Ahmad Shoaib on March 17, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    What is the evidence for this?

    Is it this ayah:

    Al-Baqarah – 2:25

    Arabic

    وَبَشِّرِ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ ٱلصَّٰلِحَٰتِ أَنَّ لَهُمۡ جَنَّٰتٍ تَجۡرِى مِن تَحۡتِهَا ٱلۡأَنۡهَٰرُۖ كُلَّمَا رُزِقُواْ مِنۡهَا مِن ثَمَرَةٍ رِّزۡقًاۙ قَالُواْ هَٰذَا ٱلَّذِى رُزِقۡنَا مِن قَبۡلُۖ وَأُتُواْ بِهِۦ مُتَشَٰبِهًاۖ وَلَهُمۡ فِيهَآ أَزۡوَٰجٌ مُّطَهَّرَةٌۖ وَهُمۡ فِيهَا خَٰلِدُونَ

    English – Pickthall

    And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow; as often as they are regaled with food of the fruit thereof, they say: this is what was given us aforetime; and it is given to them in resemblance. There for them are pure companions; there for ever they abide.

    Or is it the fact that the Quran over and iced says ‘gardens with rivers flowing underneath’? Because that makes it seem vague and repetitive. Is this because the reality is so awesome that we can’t imagine it so this analogy is reused over and over again?

    Faizan Ahmed replied 3 years, 6 months ago 3 Members · 16 Replies
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  • Is Heaven And Hell From The Mutashabihaat?

    Faizan Ahmed updated 3 years, 6 months ago 3 Members · 16 Replies
  • Ahsan

    Moderator March 18, 2021 at 2:12 pm

    Your second interference is more convincing to me because verse 26 talks about parable.
    Also i think the analogy of flowing water and garden is used because Quran address Arabs. For desert people it will be a very desired thing.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor March 18, 2021 at 2:16 pm

      I wonder if that’s enough to prove they are from the mutashabihaat

    • Faizan Ahmed

      Member March 24, 2021 at 3:53 pm

      Anything that relates to the unseen is explained in mutashabihaat I believe including heaven and hell.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor March 24, 2021 at 3:53 pm

      Is this a logical deduction from some ayaat or do some ayaat state this principle?

    • Faizan Ahmed

      Member March 24, 2021 at 5:25 pm

      Quran itself talks about some ayahs being mutashabihaat(read beginning verse of surah al-Imran). Farahi scholars interpret it in that way. Recently Ghamidi sab also explained this on ilm o hikmat at dunya tv.

      https://youtu.be/fUzbtvN7Trg

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor March 24, 2021 at 5:26 pm

      Yes I know the Quran says this but I’m asking what it refers to. Which ayaat does the Quran itself say are mutashabihaat?

    • Faizan Ahmed

      Member March 24, 2021 at 6:21 pm

      The explanation of mutashabihaat is that they describe the unseen matters in words that we can understand. We can apply this to anything that relates to the unseen in the Quran I guess.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor March 24, 2021 at 6:22 pm

      The word mutahsibihaat simply means those things denoted by allegory. I am asking what the Quran says comes under this chapter of things denoted with allegory

    • Faizan Ahmed

      Member March 24, 2021 at 6:27 pm

      Things that relate to the unseen world

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor March 24, 2021 at 6:27 pm

      Which ayah says المتشابهات من الغيب?

    • Faizan Ahmed

      Member March 24, 2021 at 6:42 pm

      It’s in the word mutashabihaat. You’ll see whenever a matter that relates to God’s doing that we can’t see is mentioned, the Quran says that it is from the mutashabihaat.

      For more details and explanation watch Dr Shehzad’s video.

      https://youtu.be/yokc1GOGXv4

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor March 24, 2021 at 6:45 pm

      Yes my question still stands. Who is to say the rivers of milk and honey mentioned are not actual literal rivers of milk and honey? What is the evidence that allegory is being employed here rather than a literal reading be taken?

    • Faizan Ahmed

      Member March 24, 2021 at 6:52 pm

      Bro watch the video again. He gave a reference from surah Baqarah where people of heaven say we were told about these things in heaven through mutashabihaat. Listen 8:30 min onwards again.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor March 24, 2021 at 6:58 pm

      Yes I have linked the ayah above. That relates to the rizq in heaven. The ayah itself mentions gardens and rivers. Who is to say that that river isn’t actually a real river. And the ayah doesn’t even refer to or talk about jahannam. In jahannam the tree of zaqum is mentioned and it’s explained as a trial in the Quran too but who is to say whether the fire of jahannam is actual fire or not?

    • Faizan Ahmed

      Member March 24, 2021 at 7:23 pm

      Who is to say it is literally referring to garden and rivers? The heaven and hell aren’t yet created. The Quran say that a new world will be created. You think the rivers that we see today will be recreated as they are? What I have understood is that the word mutashabihaat suggests that it is something like a river not exactly the river. This is tafsil of heaven that’s done using things that appeal the audience at that time(arabs). The ijmal is that you will get what ever you want and more.

  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor March 24, 2021 at 2:57 pm

    Any ideas?

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