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  • Human Consciousness

    Posted by Areej Sajid on July 3, 2021 at 5:02 am

    You exist and I exist.How would we can sure about it if sudden thoughts come into mind like it’s quite possible then person we are talking to doesn’t exist.and this whole universe is a scam

    Faraz Siddiqui replied 3 years, 3 months ago 2 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Human Consciousness

  • Faraz Siddiqui

    Member July 3, 2021 at 5:43 am

    Yes, there have some philosophical schools going back to Greeks that all this is nothing but a dream and nothing exist. Then there r debates over debates about what’s existence. In 16th century Descartes declared that since human being have consciousness, it exists!

    Real question is not existence because we do not have the data to prove without doubt if we exist or not.

    Reality is relative. Mine & yours is relative to this universe at this time and place. No matter what we do we cannot change that

    • Areej Sajid

      Member July 3, 2021 at 5:55 am

      Then how can we go to correct way to know God?when everything is relative.and how can I know the person i am talking to is also conscious and its not my mind who is creating the other human being.

  • Faraz Siddiqui

    Member July 3, 2021 at 6:20 am

    Simple answer is u cannot know God! Meaning u cannot know God in absolute reality.

    Think of this, how do we know our parents? We just believe them. We don’t remember when we were conceived or time spent inside womb or anything till we r 4 yrs old. But we never doubt. Why? Because we have the data that’s relative to us. We just believe despite knowing that all the data could’ve been fabricated but none of us runs to match our DNA.

    Similarly u know God. The data relative to our consciousness is all around us, God is described in an anthropomorphic or human way so we can understand cuz that’s all we do understand. Anything outside human nature is beyond us

    One consciousness can not creat another independent consciousness so when u r talking to a human, that’s another human and not ur brain creating alternative reality

    • Areej Sajid

      Member July 3, 2021 at 7:10 am

      Thanks brother.Can you just elaborate it more that one consiousness cannot create another independent consciousness being?

    • Areej Sajid

      Member July 3, 2021 at 7:21 am

      And in the video of Ghamidi sahab What is differnce between Quantum mechanics and Rohaniat?We came to know that when we see particle its another thing and we don’t its another thing.What we can infer from this?is matter around us also consious?

  • Faraz Siddiqui

    Member July 3, 2021 at 7:51 am

    Consciousness is from Allah(rooh) and it’s given to all humans separately so it can’t create another consciousness. It doesn’t need to

    Scientifically consciousness emerges from subconscious, how we don’t know, but it’s only a small part of subconscious therefore if we believe that consciousness can also create another of its kind then we simultaneously believe that it also has to create another subconsciousness and that’s not possible because nothing can create it’s creator or originator

    I don’t know which video u r referring to.

    QM has nothing to do with reality. Not because it’s not real but because we know so little about it. Every religion/spiritual ideology has taken QM, non locality, string theory or M theory and used it to verify there claim. QM is no different than what we already know. Our consequences in life could be anywhere and they materialize when we take an action! Isn’t that QM? Particle “exist” when we measure it! In other words, u know 1 single/particular future ONLY after u’ve after u’ve taken an action or made a decision

    • Areej Sajid

      Member July 3, 2021 at 9:46 am

      Okay thank you brother.

  • Faraz Siddiqui

    Member July 3, 2021 at 10:27 am

    U r very welcome

    I hope atleast some of ur questions r answered.

    Please remember, easiest way to check a theory/ideology is to live it!

    People who believe that there’s no free will (determinism) still get angry at slow drivers or their children misbehaving!

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