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  • Itmam Al Hujjah And Compulsion

  • muhammad saad

    Member February 8, 2022 at 6:44 am

    PUNISHMENT ON SMALLER SCALE FOR THE ADRESSES OF RASOOL AS A PROVE OF JUDGEMENT DAY.

    • Zayf Shakir

      Member February 8, 2022 at 7:08 am

      Killing someone because they didn’t accept islam because apparently they didn’t do it because of stubbornness is definitely a punishment on smaller scale. But could you please tell me what’d be punishment on bigger scale?

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 8, 2022 at 10:12 am

    Videos in the following threads will help resolve your confusion:

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    The entire thread “Itmam E Hujjah (The Law, Its Application, Common Misconceptions & FAQs)” is very useful in understanding the law and several questions that arise in this regard.

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  • muhammad saad

    Member February 9, 2022 at 12:38 am

    brother larger scale means judgement day (day of qiyamat).punishment on these people nation who reject rasool to to show other people that the day of qiamat is going to come.it is not a myth.that why ghamdi saab call is a laboratory test.

    • Zayf Shakir

      Member February 9, 2022 at 3:56 am

      You said “AS A PROVE OF JUDGEMENT DAY” but there are many other ways to prove that. Killing someone just because he is not accepting what you are preaching doesn’t make sense. When there is day of judgement then punishment for disbelievers in this world seems illogical.

      Okay let’s just accept that they didn’t believe even after knowing the truth the God should have killed them by natural phenomenas because that would have made sense but Prophet Muḥammad ﷺ killed them and said it was from God. My mind is not ready to accept that. When God in the past had destroyed people by natural disasters then GOD should have done it by himself.

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator February 9, 2022 at 9:30 am

      This has been answered in the links I shared above.

    • Mohammed Zubair Alam

      Member February 11, 2022 at 8:01 am

      Allah commanded prophet muhammad(S.a.w) to kill them because they rejected the truth or they were also planning to attack on prophet muhammad(S.A.W) , his family, and believers?.

    • Mohammed Zubair Alam

      Member February 11, 2022 at 10:07 am

      Gone through all of it and understood that prophet muhammad (pbuh) was commanded by Allah to kill them when they deliberately rejected the truth even after knowing that Prophet muhammad (pbuh)is a messenger of allah. Natural disasters in the past were done by allah for this intention and commanded prophet mubammad(s.a.w) to kill them for the same intention. So it’s does not matter which way he has chosen to destroy the rejecters .

      But still I want to Know did the rejecters became against Islam and tried to attack on muslims and that’s why Allah destroyed them during the time of prophet or just because they rejected Islam and denied to belief in Allah so Allah destroyed them..?

    • Nazar Muhammad

      Member February 12, 2022 at 8:19 am

      Ak shaks jo apni sadi zindagi guzaarta he kia us per mushkil ni ati

      ati he na so wo mushkil zarori ni ke us per Allah ka qeher hu agar wo shks nek hi to Allah apne nekokaro ko jitna psnd krta he uska hume andaza nai mgr pir b yousuf ko khue me phenka gaya yaqoob Ko bete ka gum sehna para humare Nabi ko faqe karne pare pichli qomo per ese azmaish aainke wo pokar uthe Allah madad kab aaegi hume Quran me sikaya gaya ke hum Allah se dua kre hum per wo boj na dal jo pichli qomo per dala

      ab muje btao Agar Allah chahta to kia kafir shru se b musalmano ko sata sakte te ni na bus jitna un momino ko Allah ne azmaya utna azmaya pir jb unki muddat ktm hoi so Allah ne une nijaat di ab nijaat Allah hijrat ki sorat me de ya kafiro per qudrati azab ki sorat me de ya pir momino ke hath se de un ko to abdi falaah milni e thi rahi bat kafiro ki to unki muddat katam hoi

      ab same jese Allah ne unko mudaqqar kia tha k jse e inki din ktm huge wo pkr lie jae ge jse Allah ne chaha vse une pkr lia…..

      kami beshi nazarandaz kr dena jazak Allah Wassalam.

    • Nazar Muhammad

      Member February 9, 2022 at 10:09 am

      Aasan alfaz me kaha jae ke agar Allah unlogo ko azab momino ke hatho se de ya pir apne kisi or treke se hum to Allah se ni poch skte na jab ap apne ghr me hakim hute hain to ap faisle apni smjh booj se krte he Allah Rab-ul-Aalameen he to Allah bhtr janta h kise kese azab dena h kb dena he

      hn agar sawal ye kia jae ke Rasool ullah ne une qatal kia to kio kia kia ye Allah ke izn se e kia ya apne tor per kia

      magar is se phle pegambro per iman ka taqaza pora krna huta he jab Rasool ullah per iman kamil h so jo uno ne kia wo Allah k izn se kia momino ke hatho se kafiro per azab aya again Allah ne esa kio kiya so jo uski marzi

  • muhammad saad

    Member February 12, 2022 at 8:14 am

    @Zubair brother if rasool has enough followers and he along with his followers able to find (dar_ul_hijraz) like in case of moses a.s then punishment is given by sword of prophet followers. same case for prophet muhammad s.a.w

    • Mohammed Zubair Alam

      Member February 12, 2022 at 9:01 am

      Rejecters were not only rejecters but were also against Islam and muslims so that’s why they became more worthy of the punishments.

      Am I right @faisalharoon

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