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  • Captive Women And Sahabas’ Conduct

    Posted by Abdul Rafay Ahmed on September 25, 2024 at 1:43 pm

    Dear Ghamidi Sahab,

    There are several hadiths that raise ethical concerns about the conduct of the Sahabas regarding captive women during warfare. For instance, in Sahih Muslim 1438, Abu Sa’id al-Khudri narrates that the Sahabas practiced coitus interruptus (‘azl) with captive women, and the Prophet (PBUH) indicated that it was permissible, saying, “It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born will be born.” Similar narrations are found in Sahih Bukhari 2229 and Sunan Abu Dawood 2171, where such practices with enslaved women are discussed.

    Given Islam’s emphasis on morality, justice, and compassion, how should we understand these narrations in today’s context, where such actions would be considered abusive and unacceptable? Are these hadiths authentic, or could they be fabrications? Furthermore, how do we discern which hadiths are credible and in line with Islamic values, especially when some seem to contradict the core teachings of the faith?

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 2 months, 3 weeks ago 3 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Captive Women And Sahabas’ Conduct

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar September 25, 2024 at 8:23 pm

    It is authentic. It is about the slaves women captured after the battle. According to the tradition of the that time it was allowed to have concubines. It was not initiated by Islam. It was an old practice and slave men and women were common in the society. Islam launched a program to end it gradually. There was no shorterm solution for this social problem.

    Also refrr to the following videos

    https://youtu.be/CqL3algbxSI?si=EMga6qBwYULbnCxv

    • Abdul Rafay Ahmed

      Member October 3, 2024 at 6:10 am

      concubinage may have existed before islam but the prophet condemned harmful practices like alcohol and fornication. in sahih muslim 1438 companions asked if they could relieve themselves inside captive women and the prophet reportedly approved saying it was gods will if a child was conceived.

      This raises ethical concerns: if islam sought to improve the status of women and end slavery why did the prophet permit this dehumanizing treatment when he condemned other immoral acts?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar September 25, 2024 at 8:23 pm
  • Shamlan Sohaib

    Member September 29, 2024 at 12:33 am

    Wasn’t slavery completely abolished after Ghazwa E Badr?

    Or gradually abolished completely in the times of Prophet Muhammed SAW?

    There are reports about Sahabas to have such conduct after Prophet Muhammad SAW as well.

    In particular I have read about Khalid bin Waleed RA conduct with the wife of Malik b. Nuwayra during Ridda Wars. Could you confirm about this event in particular event.

    Thanks!

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar October 2, 2024 at 3:11 am

    Making of new slaves from the free people was abolished but the slaves who were already there were not set free. Their freedom was a matter social reform which took time.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar October 2, 2024 at 3:24 am

    Please refer to this video for your second query

    https://youtu.be/dIplOMe1vpM?si=ycEa2AA589n0_AtU

  • Shamlan Sohaib

    Member October 3, 2024 at 5:03 am

    Thanks for the response Irfan sb.

    I have listened to the video that you have shared and it is convincing for most of the parts except for one point.

    If you check the video after 21:00 minutes, you will find that the speaker claims that Khalid RA first made the wife of Slain as SLAVE. So, this point doesn’t match with your above response that new slaves couldn’t be made.

    Still I believe that these matters are historical in nature and we don’t have 100% accurate knowledge about them.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar October 5, 2024 at 2:25 am

    According to our understanding, no free person can be made slave. If she were a slave only then Khalid could take her as his slave. However other reports makes it clear that he married her after iddat.

    One should know that Khalid bin Waleed was disliked by the kufians whom have the major role in recording history. And they made many false allegations to the companies. They made mountain out of a molehill.

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