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  • Chakra And Sufism?

    Muhammad Ali updated 2 months ago 2 Members · 9 Replies
  • Shah Faizan

    Member October 17, 2024 at 2:03 pm

    Well, it’s somewhat different, but the aim is the same: both seek to connect with the Divine. For example, Hindus use different practices, such as meditation, to activate chakras and awaken kundalini. Similarly, Sufis engage in meditation and dhikr, and they have something called ‘lataif,’ which is somewhat similar to chakras. Since both follow a mystical path in life, they share many similarities.

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member October 17, 2024 at 7:55 pm

    I believe according to my own research, Sufism is derived from the Adveita Vedanta philosophy. But the sufis changed their names and reformed them slightly.

    Both seem to not only connect with Divine but also unite or merge with the Divine.

  • Shah Faizan

    Member October 17, 2024 at 10:26 pm

    I recently took philosophy as a subject, and I also think Wahdatul Wajood and Advaita Vedanta are closely aligned in their monistic view, asserting that the ultimate reality (God or Brahman) is the only true existence, and all perceived multiplicity is an illusion. Both emphasise the need to transcend this illusion and realise the unity between the individual self and the ultimate reality. Then there is Wahdatul Shahud and Dvaita Vedanta, which similarly share a dualistic perspective, maintaining a clear distinction between the divine (God or Brahman) and the individual soul. Both hold that while one can experience or witness the divine, the self and God remain eternally distinct, with devotion playing a central role in the spiritual journey.

  • Shah Faizan

    Member October 17, 2024 at 10:39 pm

    What I personally believe is that they didn’t steal concepts from Hinduism, but through meditation, they had certain experiences that are similar to what Vedanta philosophers have experienced. I think it’s because even in today’s world, mystics tend to have similar experiences about reality and many other things. Now, if you ask why, there are two possibilities: 1) they are telling the truth, or 2) they are being deceived.

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member October 18, 2024 at 4:33 am

    Yeah, you can say that they didn’t steal the concepts of Hinduism but their practices.

    They just copied the meditation and yoga of Hindu religion, Hindus used to chant their mantras (OM OM) to concentrate and they starting doing Dhikr to concentrate and enter the that state/realm. There are even reports of Mansoor Al Hallaj visiting India. During the time of Sahabas, and even after the 200 years of the demise of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, these practices entered into Islam.

    The main thing is meditation and yoga not the concepts, once one learn these practices he/she will come to the same conclusion about Monism. Even people who practice OBEs or Astral Projection become monists.

    Both Islam and concepts derived meditation cannot be true at the same time. Islam stands on the ground that one should believe in the unseen and surrender and submit totally to Rab ul Alaameen and consider this world as a test. And One should follow the religion on the basis of logic and reasoning.

    Whereas the sufis or mystics strive to meet their Lord in this world, and believe in the concept of “Die before death”. For them both good and bad is illusion.

    The famous Sufi Mansoor Al Hallaj or Hussain ibn Mansoor Al Hallaj, to whom our Muslim scholars consider him Great Auliya even started believing in Reincarnation. Following Hindu practices whether knowingly or Unknowningly will have a influence on everyone since it has a religious background.

  • Shah Faizan

    Member October 18, 2024 at 5:16 am

    Yes, that’s very true. I’ve always been quite interested in mysticism myself, and I’ve had certain experiences during meditation, so you’re right. The problem with astral projection and mystical experiences in general is that you can’t really confirm whether it’s the truth or just some entity playing with your mind. As a Muslim, I believe it’s better to be on the safe side, follow the teachings of the Quran, and place less importance on the experiences of mystics.

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member October 18, 2024 at 8:13 am

    haha you are right. I also left astral protection and meditation for the same reason, people have created their own reality in mind and that reality is much real than their lives in this physical plane.

    Soon Muslims will learn about these mystical experiences and realms, since NDEs are becoming very much popular and circulating on social media.

    There may be many other paths, but Allah says this Islam/Quran is the only “straight” path.

    The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam drew a line for us and said. “This is Allaah’s Straight Path.” Then he drew lines to its right and left and then said. “These ore other paths. Upon every one of them there is a devil calling towards it.”

    Then he recited: “Indeed this is My Straight Path, so follow it, and do not follow other paths that will separate you from His Path.” [Soorah al-An’aam 6:153].” [1]

  • Shah Faizan

    Member October 18, 2024 at 8:37 am

    True brother btw I still think meditation and yoga is still fine if you doing for peace of mind like eg you can just sit and concentrate on breath or on what is going around. It really helps to calm the mind So i guess as longer as one is not into knowing the reality and just doing for peace then its okay

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member October 18, 2024 at 7:05 pm

    Yes but only if you know the reality behind it, since one cannot totally separate the religious aspects of yoga and meditation and present it as only a form of mental and physical exercise. Sooner or later, he will explore these things soon, more ever it depends upon the individuals too.

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