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  • Earning Something Over An Action That Is Circumstantially Haram

    Posted by Mohammad Ali Soomro on December 9, 2024 at 3:07 am

    Assallam u alaikum,

    my question is that for suppose my parents had commanded me to not to do something, which in itself is halal.

    for example during my exams they commanded me to not go outside with friends, even if they want a generic non-urgent help. But one day my friend showed up and told me to come along with him to help him buy a phone and give him company and i went out, violating my parents command. then i researched, and wandered around market and helping him buy things and accessories and comparing prices etc, all the hard-work, in the constant state of violation of parents command. then came home. next day my friend gives me a watch as a token of return for my efforts in helping him buy phone and going out with him to give him company in a hectic venture.

    Will this watch be halal? because it was given to me for actions, that were itself halal but at that time were Haram for me to do because of parents command. and the watch was given to me for that particular help for that particular time (which was in violation of parents command).

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 1 day, 8 hours ago 3 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Earning Something Over An Action That Is Circumstantially Haram

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad updated 1 day, 8 hours ago 3 Members · 10 Replies
  • Umer

    Moderator December 10, 2024 at 5:47 am

    What the son did was objectionable and should be advised otherwise, but labelling it Haram is incorrect.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member December 10, 2024 at 6:40 am

      @UmerQureshi brother are you talking about the act of disobedience to parents?

      that it’s not sinful?

      and about what thing I earned for that act, will it be objectionable? sinful? or it would be halal to use?

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member December 12, 2024 at 12:29 am
  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar December 13, 2024 at 4:09 am

    It is not a matter halal, nor is it sinful. It is just inappropriate.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member December 13, 2024 at 4:32 am

      @Irfan76 Okay sir. i want to ask a similar scenario question.

      sexual relationship while being unmarried is Haram and Allah requires from us to stay from it, and it’s violation will incur us sin because while he was unmarried to that lady he was required to not have relationship with her. and that is why any earning of it remains Haram.

      My question is that when a person genuinely thinks something to be major Haram. Allah requires from him that he has to avoid it else if he does it while thinking it’s Haram, he’ll incur a sin on that action. a person might say that it sort of becomes Haram for that person while he believes. so still he does it and incurs sin on it. the sin was on these 2 things getting combined (believing something to be Haram + still doing it). for example Zaid helps another man to get a riba-based loan (while Zaid was thinking that taking and assisting in taking such loan is also a major sin). later afterwards he gets to know that this action was not Haram. and after sometime the man who he helped, comes with a watch to give him as a reward for helping him in taking loan.

      Will this watch be halal for him to use? because the medium of this watch is based on an action, which incurred him sin when he performed it (it was sort of required for him not to do that, at that time. just as it was required for a man not to sexual relationship while unmarried to a lady). will the watch be halal to use?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar December 14, 2024 at 4:40 am

    It is the same question and You know the answer. Knowingly doing a sin is sin, whether it was actually a sin or not. Because the behaviour is disobedience.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member December 14, 2024 at 4:48 am

      @Irfan76 yes sir I understand this thing clearly but the question that I was asking that later if I was given something as a direct reward i.e. a watch for my that specific action/service that I thought was Haram ( but in reality it is Halal). and it becomes clear to me that the previous service that I did which I thought was Haram, is not actually Haram.

      will now at this stage after knowing the reality of the service that I previously did (learning that it was not Haram in Islam). will the watch that I have now as a reward for my service given at that time,

      will that watch be permissible for me to use, after I have come to know that, the service was in itself halal?

      or will the watch become impermissible to use because of my disobedience behavior, because even though the action was halal, the way I did it was a way of disobedience and hence the watch earned over that action is also impermissible, even if now it becomes clear to me that those services were halal?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar December 16, 2024 at 11:48 pm

    When you know later that the action was not a sin actually, you can keep the watch. if your taqwa does not allow, you can leave it.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member December 16, 2024 at 11:53 pm

      @Irfan76 sir the issue is not about my taqwa, the thing is that my OCD keeps me in so much doubt. I want to use it because it’s a beneficial thing. but a quick thought comes that what if it’s not permissible to use the it because the action that was Halal, i did disobedience while performing it and if that disobedience of made it sin and subsequently this item impermissible to use.

      then a fear comes that what if Allah holds me accountable on DOJ that i used the watch despite getting the thought mentioned above.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar December 20, 2024 at 1:57 am

    You better not answer your OCD, this is the only way to get rid of this problem.

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