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  • آدم سے پہلے کے حیوانی انسان کہاں گئے ؟؟

    Posted by Aejaz Ahmed on December 14, 2024 at 9:19 am

    آدم کی تخلیق کے وقت تو بےشمار حیوانی انسان ہوں گے، لاکھوں کی تعداد میں کیونکہ یہ عمل کروڑوں سالوں سے چل رہا تھا، تو آدم کی تخلیق یعنی اخلاقی انسان بننے کے بعد وہ سب حیوانی انسان کہاں چلے گئے ؟؟ کیا آدم کی ذریت(اخلاقی انسان) اور حیوانی انسان کے درمیان بھی ازدواجی تعلق قائم ہوا ؟؟ تاریخ سے تو ہمیں ان کے فناء ہونے کی خبر نہیں ملتی تو آدم کی پیدائش کے بعد سب کے سب حیوانی انسان کہاں چلے گئے ؟؟ کیا آج بھی حیوانی انسان کی نسل موجود ہے ؟؟ اگر حیوانی انسان بعد میں بھی موجود رہے یا اخلاقی انسان اور حیوانی انسان کے درمیان جنسی تعلق قائم ہوتا رہا تو پھر ان کی نسل کو اللہ تعالیٰ کس بنیاد پر پکڑے گا کیونکہ انہیں تو خیر و شر کا شعور نہیں تھا/ہے ؟

    Ahsan replied 1 hour ago 4 Members · 11 Replies
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  • آدم سے پہلے کے حیوانی انسان کہاں گئے ؟؟

    Ahsan updated 1 hour ago 4 Members · 11 Replies
  • Ahsan

    Moderator December 14, 2024 at 10:02 am

    Are you tlaking about homo genus?

    If yes, there is evidence of their extinction. We know before humans there were homo erectus and homo neanderthals etc. modern humans are only surviving specie of homo genus.

    How they got extinct, it is disputed topic though. Neanderthals are reported to be alongside homosapiens for sometime.

  • Aejaz Ahmed

    Member December 14, 2024 at 1:16 pm

    I mean after the birth of Adam some 10000~15000 years ago, the Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens who were present at that time, where they gone ??

    Are the entire present humans the offspring of Adam ?? If yes where gone Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals present at the time of birth of Adam ??

  • Ahsan

    Moderator December 14, 2024 at 9:25 pm

    we dont know, when hazrat adam was born. From biblical scholars, the range lies between 7,000 and 200,000 years ago.

    Archaeologist are still puzzled about how and why they ceased to exist. So we cant know the actual answer for now.

    Apprently humans carry 2% of Neanderthals dna so they crossed breed too. you may find this article interesting

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-04065-y

    offtopic: watch this video too
    https://iastate.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=67be059b-221a-45e5-90c5-afbf0134c479

  • Hadi Jawad

    Member December 15, 2024 at 4:26 am

    I came across the video of an athiest (GETSETFLY YOUTUBER) who believes in evolution he was saying that before the evolution of homo sapiens there were Ardipithecus Ramidus and in the last only two of them were alive and they created offsprings . And from there the placenta evolved. Now i listened to ghamdi sahab and he mentioned “jab unme apni nasal khud paida krne ki salahiyat agayi” and that “unke(beastly humans) banane sawarne ka allah tallah me kaam kiya”. Placenta is very important so it fits the banane sawarne wali baat of ghamdi sahab and the remaining two species which created homo sapiens also fit the talk of ghamdi sahab.

    The video link of GETSETFLY which i mentioned is : https://youtu.be/3NbaTYdJcUk?si=BF_d5Vsqpync_FPg

  • Hadi Jawad

    Member December 15, 2024 at 4:37 am
  • Saad Saleem

    Member December 18, 2024 at 10:38 pm

    I recently published an article which might answer this question:

    http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=38790

  • Aejaz Ahmed

    Member December 19, 2024 at 12:00 am

    Very informative article brother Dr. Saad Saleem.

    Kindly pin point answer following:

    1- Adam was part of which group, Homo Erectus, Homo Sapiens or Neanderthals?

    2- Where did anatomically similar Homo Sapiens who were present at the time of creation of Adam go/vanished?

    3- If not vanished then did Adam’s race (Humans) interbreed with other anatomically similar Homo sapiens at that time?

    4- And are there any race of Homo Sapiens other than race of Adam(Human) present today or mixed race whatsoever?

    Thanks a lot for your sharing your valuable thoughts

    • Saad Saleem

      Member December 19, 2024 at 1:04 am

      1- Adam was part of which group, Homo Erectus, Homo Sapiens or Neanderthals?

      Please see the section ‘The Emergence of Early Modern Humans’, which discusses the extinction of other hominid species.


      2- Where did anatomically similar Homo Sapiens who were present at the time of creation of Adam go/vanished?
      Please see under the heading ‘Prophet Adam’s Descendants and Other Humans’


      3- If not vanished then did Adam’s race (Humans) interbreed with other anatomically similar Homo sapiens at that time?
      This is answered in the previous question.

      4- And are there any race of Homo Sapiens other than race of Adam(Human) present today or mixed race whatsoever?
      No, I do not believe so.

  • Ahsan

    Moderator December 19, 2024 at 8:51 am

    @Ssaleem

    Interesting writing. Can you expand it more? It didnt satisfy my curiosity, I would like to read more about it.

    • Saad Saleem

      Member December 20, 2024 at 3:04 am

      Salaam Ahsan. These are only very few direct references from history, science and religious scriptures. I had attempted to capture them all, i.e.

      – reference from the Bible on Prophet Adam (as) sons commencing animal husbandry and farming,

      – the spread of agriculture from Lavant to other parts of the world,

      – the existence of human populations before farming and animal husbandry was invented,

      – humans reshaping landscapes and developing settlements at the same time farming commenced and

      – the dialogue of angels with God when Prophet Adam (as) and his progeny were made ‘khalifa’ on earth.

      I’m not sure how I can help with your curiosity.

  • Ahsan

    Moderator December 21, 2024 at 10:05 am

    i would like to have story with genetic and archeological data to to support or against religious narrative or aligning them in a way which can explain coexistance of Hazrat adam with diminishing population of other archaic homos, long age of nooh etc.

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