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  • Why Allah Created Us Despite Having Knowledge About Everything

    Posted by Farhan Khan on January 19, 2025 at 5:34 pm

    If a doctor tells a patient to not reproduce and don’t have children because if you do your children will be disabled persons (based on the tests or whatever), the person won’t reproduce then because he won’t want to have children who are disabled and he don’t want them to suffer. Similarly, if SOMEHOW lets SUPPOSE we come to know the fate of our children like whether they will go to hell or heaven. If they are going to hell, we won’t reproduce because we don’t want oir children to go to hell. So Allh knew that 50 percent or 20 percent or percent of all humans lets suppose will go to hell, then why he created humans at all??? Or why creTed such a scheme where there is possibility of going to hell???? This test could’ve been different. Isn’t it evil from allah that he knew abujahal and all those ignorant people will do such things amd will eventually go to hell then why he thought it was a good idea to make such a scheme?? It’s the same like my children have 50/50 chance of disability and i still reproduce.

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 1 week, 5 days ago 5 Members · 17 Replies
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  • Why Allah Created Us Despite Having Knowledge About Everything

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar January 19, 2025 at 8:02 pm

    This thought arises from the analogy that God is loving like a mother or a father. God is not like that. He wished to have this scheme and favor His creation on merit. The corollary of this scheme is that some would fail and suffer the punishment of their deliberate denial. This is what it is.

  • Farhan Khan

    Member January 20, 2025 at 7:44 am

    So you mean reproducing children knowing they will go to hell will be Godly act, no?

  • Umer

    Moderator January 21, 2025 at 12:07 am

    Relationship between God and humans is not that of a parent and child, it is that of a creator and the created. The creator decides when and why he wants to create something. And God has told us his scheme in this world and eternal afterlife based on our effort in this world. God’s knowledge about our end result has no bearing on our actions. We have been given freewill in ethical domains and God does not inflence our actions in this domain based on His knowledge. This is so that the final decision on the day of judgement should be based on justice and be made on the basis of facts (i.e. our actions) rather than on God’s knowledge alone.

    For further details, please watch the videos below

    Please refer to the video below from 37:07 to 41:26

    https://youtu.be/0wSJFAeYcI0?t=2236

  • Umer

    Moderator January 21, 2025 at 12:07 am

    Please also refer to the link below from 7:44 to 9:59

    https://www.javedahmedghamidi.org/#!/video/5aabdc9db951cb6c099eb18b

    &

    to the link below from 00:00 to 1:14

    https://www.javedahmedghamidi.org/#!/video/5aabdc9eb951cb6c099eb18f

  • Farhan Khan

    Member January 21, 2025 at 7:55 pm

    It doesn’t even need the love of parent to avoid harm for someone you have total control over. It’s either you are evil or you are good. Apparently from your argument God is evil as he is OK with millions of people or billions of people going to hell.

    • Taimur Mughal

      Member February 2, 2025 at 3:32 am

      I would like to add an opinion ; those people that will go to hell, they knew the truth and yet arrogantly they denied it, nobody is stopping them no one is telling them not to accept , it’s totally their choice, they are stubborn liars and hypocrites and they think they can outsmart God, for such arrogant fools it would be only just to punish them!

      Because why would you not submit to Allah? because they want to follow their desires and they don’t want the truth!

    • Farhan Khan

      Member February 8, 2025 at 7:57 am

      as if i don’t know know about this argument. allah knew what they would do before they were created. allah knew what the uncreated would do. so why even create them? you know already, don’t create them. you don’t have to. the only reason you would create them to see them burn practically. otherwise you already knew the conclusion. those who you knew were going to heaven, send them directly to heaven, they won’t complain if it’s such a good place and those who you knew were going to hell, no need to create them, unnecessary exam, unnecessary punishment. it’s not a squid game.

    • Taimur Mughal

      Member February 8, 2025 at 8:14 am

      By your complaining nothing will happend. He is not forcing anyone , yes He can save us all, but HE gave a test to us so that we save ourselves. If a person is not saving himself than the q must arise why? Answers are ; they are arrogant, they are hypocrites, they want to follow their desires, they don’t want to follow their Creator’s guideline. So eventhough no one is forcing them, they can choose for themselves, paradise or hell. It’s their own fault. If you are angry, you should be angry on these people who are choosing hellfire. God didn’t force them to neither is HE unjust. Why are you not focusing on these people not saving themselves? You focusing on God not saving them!

    • Farhan Khan

      Member February 8, 2025 at 9:10 am

      i am talking about the act of God being immoral, unjust, unnecessary and high level evil. so if you have an argument on this then okay we will worry about other things. i am saying allah is evil.

    • Taimur Mughal

      Member February 8, 2025 at 11:33 am

      I recommend you to read the following book ; By that time by abu yahya, you can download it in english pdf free as well. It will help you understand your questions better. May Allah guide you.

  • Muhammad Ali

    Member February 1, 2025 at 4:01 pm

    Going to hell? Are they in hell right now or not?

    The final judgement isn’t passed on yet, you cannot blame God on the basis of your assumptions. And have you predetermined that in the case of a test one will necessary fail and go to hell?

    • Farhan Khan

      Member February 8, 2025 at 7:53 am

      don’t tell me Allah won’t send anyone to hell

    • Muhammad Ali

      Member February 8, 2025 at 8:26 am

      Why? You don’t want to hear that?

      And If I were to be in the paradise from the start, I would never know it’s worth.

      Paradise is a reward for my action.

      For a job a person go through several processes from education to interviews then selection.

      Similarly for paradise one should learn and train on this universe .

    • Farhan Khan

      Member February 8, 2025 at 9:12 am

      why? bcz you are making it up. a god who couldn’t beat people not following his prophet and ask him to kill them is going to send hitler to heaven. okay mate. keep moulding your religion to fit it in.

    • Muhammad Ali

      Member February 8, 2025 at 9:14 am

      That shows your Islamic Knowledge sir, at least you clarified this.

    • Farhan Khan

      Member February 8, 2025 at 10:54 am

      the complete opposite it shows. it shows you don’t know what you are talking about. if no one is going to hell then the hell he made is useless and no one is supposed to fear allah.

      if someone IS going to hell then kindly go back and think about my question.

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar February 9, 2025 at 3:03 am

    Mr Farhan, this forum is to ask your questions, not pass your remarks. Follow the code of conduct. @UmerQureshi Saheb, please close the thread.

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