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  • Islam And Postmodernism

    Posted by Uraiba Hasan on February 5, 2025 at 7:16 pm

    I have been engaging with the postmodernist philosophical traditions and find it deeply distressing. Partly because i couldnt rationally refute it due to it’s emphasis on irrationality. Ghamidi Sahab commented on post modernism briefly in one of his lectures on “Fitrah”, i would appreciate a more dense, elaborate engagement/critique with the post-modernist/post-structuralist though, preferably from Ghamidi Sahab hismelf if possible. JazakAllah Khayran.

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 2 weeks ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Islam And Postmodernism

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar February 5, 2025 at 11:27 pm

    Postmodernism holds no rational grounds. It bounds to contradict itself at every step. The real world does not accept it, otherwise there remains no system, no justice. The individuals should not discuss anything thing as there is no common ground to contest, or demand to assert anything.

    To learn how Ghamidi Saheb sees the problem of knowledge and epistemology, read his essays on ‘Knowledge’ in his book Maqaamaat.

    https://www.javedahmedghamidi.org/#!/books/5aa66ae35e891e8f44a43f5f?chapterNo=16

    • Uraiba Hasan

      Member February 7, 2025 at 3:26 pm

      Assalam-u-Alikum @irfan can you pase entertain the following idea, based on the discussion you shared with me:

      If the fitrah is a knowledge that gives rise to reason and language, and knowledge is created when it interacts with the “subjects” in the external world, as Ghamidi Sahab points out, that would make Fitrah pre-linguistic. This reminds me of the postmodernist Gillies Deleuze’s affect theory, which posits a chaotic energy (called affects) which is in constant flux and is prelinguistic, but it flows through language, this energy doesn’t really have a direction or stability, it just moves through everything. Fitrah is much the same in that it’s also prelinguistic and it flows through language. The only point of contention would be that fitrah does have a direction unlike Deleuze’s affects, with Quran and it’s commands being the ultimate culmination of that direction, and that we can experience the fitrah in it’s absolute sense, by purifying the soul through the Quran. I know that Fikr-e-Farahi is very wary about drawing parallels with the western philosophical tradition. But i think if this analysis is fair, it can be a great way to give dawah to postmodernist youth finding themselves agreeing with postmodernisms deconstruction but trying to escape the meaningless void it creates, since not only does it align with post-structuralist thinking (with the fitrah being pre-linguistic), it builds a meaningful meta-narrative while being post-structuralist.

    • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

      Scholar February 7, 2025 at 11:02 pm

      I don’t know about this particular theory. Accepting their premise leads to end up in meaninglessness, which in really doesn’t happen. If You use this theory to refute a conclusion you may use it.

  • Umer

    Moderator February 6, 2025 at 4:27 pm

    Here is another brief critique by Ghamidi Sahab on Postmodernism. Please refer to the video below from 12:37 to 13:53

    https://youtu.be/o4Rw8pPcprM?si=ZRzOT8mETQaP6W8t&t=757

  • Uraiba Hasan

    Member February 7, 2025 at 8:14 am

    Thank you!

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