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Does God Have A Body?
Posted by elliot gilly on March 6, 2025 at 8:14 amhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gemB92VMNo&t=493s&pp=ygUiTmljb2xhaSBzaW5haSBkb2VzIGdvZCBoYXZlIGEgYm9keQ%3D%3D can someone watch this video of Nicolai sinai and tell me if he is correct? If not why?
Ahsan replied 2 weeks, 4 days ago 2 Members · 15 Replies -
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Does God Have A Body?
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Ahsan
Moderator March 6, 2025 at 6:19 pmResponse from Chatgpt (after obtaining subtitles from notegpt)
1. Selective Interpretation of Anthropomorphic Language
The argument assumes that descriptions of God’s hands, face, and movement must be taken literally rather than metaphorically or analogically. However, Islamic theological traditions have long recognized that such descriptions are metaphorical, pointing to God’s attributes rather than physical form.
The Quran itself states in Surah Ash-Shura 42:11, لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ (There is nothing like unto Him), which directly negates the idea of a physical, human-like body.
2. Ignoring the Classical Islamic Interpretation (Tafsir & Aqeedah)
Classical Islamic scholars, including those from the Ash‘ari, Maturidi, and Mu‘tazili traditions, interpreted anthropomorphic verses in a manner that does not ascribe a physical body to God.
The Quran states in Surah Al-An’am 6:103, لَا تُدْرِكُهُ ٱلْأَبْصَـٰرُ (Vision does not perceive Him), which suggests that God is beyond human perception and form.
If God were embodied, then He would be limited to space and time, contradicting Surah Al-Hadid 57:3, which describes God as الْأَوَّلُ وَالْآخِرُ وَالظَّاهِرُ وَالْبَاطِنُ (the First and the Last, the Manifest and the Hidden), implying transcendence beyond physical constraints.
3. Misinterpretation of Quranic Cosmology
The argument claims that the Quran presents a unified cosmos where all beings, including God, exist within space. However, the Quran repeatedly emphasizes God’s absolute sovereignty over the universe:
Surah Al-Ikhlas 112:4: وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُۥ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ (And there is none comparable to Him).
Surah Taha 20:5: ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنُ عَلَى ٱلْعَرْشِ ٱسْتَوَىٰ (The Most Merciful rose over the Throne). Many scholars interpret istawa as a metaphor for divine authority rather than physical enthronement.
4. Lack of Quranic Support for an Embodied God
The argument relies on absence rather than presence—it claims that since the Quran does not explicitly deny God’s physical form, it must assume one. However, the Quran also does not affirm such an idea, making it a weak argument from silence.
Instead, the Quran consistently uses negations regarding God’s likeness to creation, which suggests a theological framework against embodiment rather than supporting it.
5. Overlooking the Quranic Concept of Transcendence
The Quran describes God as beyond human comprehension (Surah Al-Baqara 2:255) and beyond limitations of time and space. Any attempt to ascribe a body would impose human-like attributes, contradicting Quranic descriptions of His uniqueness.
Conclusion
The argument that the Quran supports an embodied notion of God is weak because it selectively interprets verses, ignores well-established theological discourse, and neglects direct Quranic statements that emphasize God’s transcendence. A more comprehensive reading of the Quran suggests that anthropomorphic descriptions serve metaphorical or symbolic purposes rather than implying a literal, physical form.
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elliot gilly
Member March 7, 2025 at 4:11 amI think all the tafsir traditions come 150 years later and have been effected by greek Neoplatonism but the Qur’an in it’s original historical context in the ancient near east holds to the view that god is transcendent but also has a luminous form and this is what the people would of believed. “There is nothing like him” does not nessercerily mean in an absolute sense but relative as he can create and we cannot. Sinai uses an example of an Egyptian god that says ‘there is nothing like him” and yet he still resembles creation.
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Ahsan
Moderator March 8, 2025 at 2:34 amYour argument assume that we drive our understanding from Tafsirs effected by greek philosphers. That is not true.
We understand Quran from Quran first.
The Quran repeatedly affirms God’s absolute uniqueness beyond human understanding:
1) Surah Ash-Shura 42:11: لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ (There is nothing like unto Him).
2) Surah Al-An’am 6:103: لَا تُدْرِكُهُ ٱلْأَبْصَـٰرُ (Vision does not perceive Him).
3) Surah Al-Ikhlas 112:4: وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُۥ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ (And there is none comparable to Him).4) Surah Al-A‘raf 7:143 recounts Hazrat Mosa asking to see God, and God replies, لَن تَرَىٰنِى (You will never see Me) which shows there is something visible
The argument of relative uniqueness is not correct due to arabic linguistics. Phrase لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ uses a double emphatic negation (لَيْسَ + كَـ + مِثْلِ), which implies absolute uniqueness.
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elliot gilly
Member March 8, 2025 at 3:23 amIf that is the case why did some early Muslims like ibn taymiyya argue that God does have a body and used the same Qur’an to prove there point?
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Ahsan
Moderator March 8, 2025 at 3:33 amFirst of all Ibne Tamiyah(born 13th century) was against all influence of Greek philosophy and was not an early scholar. Secondly, he or anyother muslims scholar never affirmed to human like god or have any body or anythink like creation.
they took the meaning literally as to avoid speculation which can lead to misguidance.
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elliot gilly
Member March 8, 2025 at 3:38 amWhich verse in English uses a double negation To show god’s uniqness?
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Ahsan
Moderator March 8, 2025 at 3:39 am42:11
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elliot gilly
Member March 8, 2025 at 10:51 amWhere is the double negation in the verse? It only seems like one? Sorry
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Ahsan
Moderator March 8, 2025 at 10:17 pmno need to be sorry.
لَيْسَ مِثْلُهُ شَيْءٌ
itself means nothing resembles, addition of ka ( كَـ ) makes it absolute by adding second layer of negation -
elliot gilly
Member March 9, 2025 at 8:08 amIn Arabic, “ka” is not a negation particle; the most common word used to negate a sentence is “la” (لا), which translates to “not” in English. This is what it says online?
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elliot gilly
Member March 9, 2025 at 5:47 pmI think this link may prove your point? https://gschishty.blogspot.com/2013/07/allah-exist-without-place.html
gschishty.blogspot.com
A blog about Allah Rasool Nabi Quraan Hadees Ijmae ummat and Sunniyat and radde wahabiyat
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Ahsan
Moderator March 10, 2025 at 12:27 amthank you for sharing the link for detailed understanding
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