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Interpretation Of Verse 24:60 By Ghamidi Sahb Contradicting Other Scholars
According to Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, the “Thiyaab” mentioned in verse 24:60 is the same as Khimar/Dupatta/scarf from verse 24:31, therefore the old women can take off their khimars/dupatta and there’s nothing wrong with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVV_f07fRko&t=2156s
But this interpretation contradicts with many other contemporary scholars who have very similar views of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi. For example Dr Shabir Ally explains that 24:60 talks about an outer garment/cloak, which women would wear when going out, that’s not the same as khimar/dupatta/scarf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiE-GaGRQ2c&t=3m21s
(In the past Dr Shabir Ally made multiple videos with Dr Shehzad Saleem. He also invited Dr Shehzad Saleem on his programme multiple times. Their views are very similar on most of the things, but Dr Shabir’s understanding of 24:60 doesn’t align with Javed Ahmed Ghamidi)
Another scholar Dr Khaled Abou El Fadl, who also has very similar views as Ghamidi Sahb on many other things described the thiyaab mentioned in 24:60 as outer garments/cloak, not as dupatta/scarf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8q6JHUa6DI&t=5918s
Even when we look at the classical tafsirs, they say the thiyaab means a cloak/outer garments, not the khimar/scarf/dupatta
(it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing) Ibn Mas’ud said about (outer) clothing…”The Jilbab or Rida’.” A similar view was also narrated from Ibn Abbas, Ibn Umar, Mujahid, Sa’id bin Jubayr, Abu Ash-Sha’tha’, Ibrahim An-Nakha’i, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Az-Zuhri, Al-‘Awza’i and others.
Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs:
(As for women past child-bearing, who have no hope of marriage) and do not need to get married, (it is no sin for them) for such women (if they discard their (outer) clothing)…
they would not be at fault if they put off their clothes such a robe a cloak or the facial mask over a head veil in such a way
Why did Ghamidi Sahib come to the conclusion that the thiyaab in 24:60 means the same thing as khimar/dupatta/scarf from 24:31, when everyone else says thiyaab means a cloak/outer garment and not khimar?
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Interpretation Of Verse 24:60 By Ghamidi Sahb Contradicting Other Scholars
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This set of verses that starts from 58, is explanatory verses. See the end of the verse 59 which comes in between the verses.
This verse must explain about something previous and that is khimaar.
The word used here is Thiyaab, that garment which can be applied to any grsmry which covers Zeenat.
If an old woman can reveal her Zeenat to men, it precludes the restriction of any other garment like jalbab.
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- O believers! Let those ˹bondspeople˺ in your possession and those of you who are still under age ask for your permission ˹to come in˺ at three times: before dawn prayer, when you take off your ˹outer˺ clothes at noon, and after the late evening prayer. ˹These are˺ three times of privacy for you. Other than these times, there is no blame on you or them to move freely, attending to one another. This is how Allah makes the revelations clear to you, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Quran 24:58
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- And when your children reach the age of puberty, let them seek permission ˹to come in˺, as their seniors do. This is how Allah makes His revelations clear to you, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Quran 24:59
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- As for elderly women past the age of marriage, there is no blame on them if they take off their ˹outer˺ garments, without revealing their adornments. But it is better for them if they avoid this ˹altogether˺. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing
Quran 24:60
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These verses use the term thiyab which is translated as outer garments. While 24:31 uses the term khimar which is translated as veil/scarf/shawl. The words are different.
Also 24:58 addresses both men and women. But only women wore the khimar (scarf/veil), men didn’t. Therefore thiyab in verse 24:58 can’t mean khimar, and since 24:60 uses the term thiyab then it can’t mean khimar as well?
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Thiyaab is used with Zeenat which indicates it is about the garment with which one covers Zeenat. Thefore it is about khimaar and jalbab.
Thiyaab in the other verse is used for both men and women during sleeping. It is about the clothes.
If you take the both tyiyab the same that is outer garments, it would mean that women can take off their clothes or outer garments. Which cant be true.
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