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  • How Do We Know That Universe Is Created?

    Posted by Shaiq Shah on June 1, 2025 at 10:33 am

    Ghamidi sahab always says that if it becomes clear that things around are created that it must are creation with designer or creator…and he adds that in case of God it doesnt beco e clear that he is created!

    So my qns are;

    1)What is difference between created and non created thing,how to know if something is created or not? And how Allah is not created…

    2)if we are unable to see God ,how we are sure that he os uncreated?

    Dr. Irfan Shahzad replied 2 weeks, 2 days ago 3 Members · 13 Replies
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  • How Do We Know That Universe Is Created?

  • Ahsan

    Moderator June 1, 2025 at 1:41 pm

    Summarized from The Divine Reality by Hamza. pg 74 and …

    The Qur’an outlines four possible explanations for how something comes into existence:

    1. Created by nothing: “Or were they created by nothing?”

    2. Self-created: “Or were they the creators of themselves?”

    3. Created by something created: “Or did they create the heavens and the Earth?”—implying that something created by another created thing ultimately leads to a chain of created causes.

    4. Created by something uncreated.

    The universe exists and is made up of real, physical entities. Since an actual infinite number of differentiated physical things cannot exist in the real world, the universe cannot be infinite. This implies that the universe is finite and, therefore, must have had a beginning.

    If the universe had a beginning, it could not have come into existence by:

  • Nothing, because nothing cannot produce something.

  • Itself, because something cannot cause its own existence.

  • Could the universe have been created by something else that was itself created? That too is not a sufficient explanation. It would lead to an endless chain of created causes, which doesn’t ultimately account for the origin of everything.

    To understand why an infinite chain of created causes is irrational, consider this analogy:

    Imagine a sniper has a target in sight and radios headquarters for permission to shoot. HQ, however, tells him to wait while they get approval from a higher authority. That authority then seeks permission from someone even higher, and this continues endlessly. Will the sniper ever receive the order to shoot? Obviously not—because the command is stuck in an infinite loop.

    This shows that in a chain of dependent causes, there must be a final authority—something that does not rely on anything else. Similarly, the universe must ultimately have been created by something uncreated—a necessary being that is the first cause and is not dependent on anything else.

  • Ahsan

    Moderator June 1, 2025 at 1:47 pm

    plz also see Discussion 86375

    Discussion 99001

  • Shaiq Shah

    Member June 1, 2025 at 9:30 pm

    Its answer for universe is created,but doesnt answer how to distinguish between created and uncreated thing?

  • Ahsan

    Moderator June 1, 2025 at 11:16 pm

    If it is dependent on anything or consist of individual finite items or has beginning, we can say it is created.

  • Shaiq Shah

    Member June 1, 2025 at 11:24 pm

    First of all;

    1)how do you know that universe came from nothing….for someone it may have had existed before big bang in some other form…

    2)if design is criteria…that Allah would also be with design…so is he also created one..?

    3)as you see beginning of universe,i see beginningless universe….

  • Ahsan

    Moderator June 2, 2025 at 2:40 am

    Please see first reponse for all points you raised. It already questions, does it need a uncreated being or not.

    From current understanding, our universe has a beginning. There is no way we can guess with certainty what happened before big bang without breaking physical laws atleast.

    Hence, dwelling on what could have i will rather focus on what we observe today.

    I will suggest you to read divine reality، it talks about every point you are talking about. Link is already there in my first post

  • Shaiq Shah

    Member June 4, 2025 at 10:09 am

    Can anyone answer my questions?

  • Shaiq Shah

    Member June 5, 2025 at 10:21 pm

    Dr. Irfan shahzad may answer my questions…

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar June 7, 2025 at 1:42 am

    The observable universe is not static. It transform from one shape to another. Cause and effect has a long chain of happenings. So every happening has a cause. Therefore it is assumed that universe was created by a cause. No one denies it.

    What cause created it, is the question. Was it intelligent or not. This is the whole debate. The probabilities have no end. One of the probability is that the universe has been created by an intelligent being. The religion confirms it. Then we see if the information of religion is reliable or not.

  • Shaiq Shah

    Member June 7, 2025 at 1:48 am

    If there are many explanations,what makes us stick on religion…?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar June 12, 2025 at 12:18 am

    The truth of religion, which convinces us that the message did come from God. One need to investigate how religion established it to be from God.

  • Shaiq Shah

    Member June 13, 2025 at 2:38 am

    Religion is option,once this option form its basis…then we will see it…but its not established that how religion is most authentic possiblity

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar June 15, 2025 at 3:16 am

    It is suggested to investigate how religion establishes its truth before making a sweeping statement of one is really in search to find the truth.

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