Sorry…. My above is too long but I still feel the need to add other relevant information.

– among the traditional scholars I believe Ibn e hazm held the opinion that vaginal discharge is pure, also salafi scholar ibn e uthaymeen changed his opinion about vaginal discharge later in life from impure to pure after reading a paper (according a paper I read)

– rulings regarding discharge being pure are mostly confined to modern scholars which I suspect is a result of both easy access to medical knowledge that distinguishes vaginal discharge from istihada along with internet providing an avenue for frank discussions regarding such private issue between men and women. I believe certain gendered issues cannot be easily understood but the other gender ( case in point : as a woman i had great difficulty defining wadi in scientific terms because it is simply not something I have ever experienced infact I highly encourage anyone who is a urologist to define it here so we can compare effectively. Similarly I believe a lot of male scholars are under the misconception that this is an occasional unusual occurrence for most women when it is quite the opposite; it is a daily reality )

– a lot of older scholars define purity with regard to the location form which the discharge occurs however according to my research ( and my experience) it is next to impossible for a woman to judge where a discharges anatomical location is. Colour is a similar isssue as it it can range from white to pale yellow and both are normal. If gynaecologist can comment this, it would be most helpful.

– some scholars seem to give it the same ruling as istihada ( irregular bleeding), I.e repeated wudu for each prayer but not during prayers as this is diseased state that requires some leniency even though it would otherwise be called impure. My rebuttal for this is that istihada is infact an unfortunate condition affecting a minority of women while normal vaginal discharge is healthy physiological state of most if not all women. Treating it as an abnormal condition like urinary incontinence or istihada is not justified in my humble opinion.

Here is a great paper I read that personally has helped me: https://gatethirteen.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Ruling-on-Vaginal-Discharge-6.pdf

I most ardently request @Irfan76 to go through the above linked paper if nothing else as I understand this is unusually long post .

Lastly this is an additional read ( an article by a sister who summarizes existing opinions):

https://muslimmatters.org/2010/09/22/quandary-of-female-vaginal-discharge/

Thankyou for your reply sir ! I am not only medical justifying it though.. I have given religious arguments aswell .. in my second comment please read the two links I have linked. I humbly request u this. Please take your time as I understand u are probably very busy. Also the purpose of urine is to discard waste from the body much like feces unlike discharge which isn’t waste itself however the biological arguments are irrelevant as I genuinely think there is weight in my religious ones. How is it possible that such a huge issue is not addressed in sunnah or Hadith to state it is impure when we have sunnah or Hadith regarding even wadi ( which is a MUCH smaller and infrequent issue) and also menstruation (which like discharge is a universal female experience). Does the absolute silence on the issue in sunnah and hadith,imply that for some reason the women who were bold enough to inquire about embarrassing topics such as menstruation, wet dreams and irregular bleeding were not bold enough to ask about something that is a much more common occurrence for them than any of the above or is it possible that women of the time were assuming it is much to common ( by common I mean continuous and regular) a occurrence for it be issue for their purity ? The second of these options is something that I have personally seen in my own life where until I was introduced to the possibility of it being a hindrance to my wudu I simply didn’t even think about it. It truly is like sweat for women. Please read the articles I have linked, I would be so grateful if you invest your precious time into pondering over the topic with a open mind. Even the comment above in Urdu shows just how huge an issue this is for women, hence it is atleast worth of some contemplation before we reach an agreed upon stance. Thankyou

@Olaka555 also noreen I’m not a scholar or a moderator even, but I completely sympathise with you. When I was following this ruling of discharge being impure and I had not done extensive research, I felt great distress as not a single prayer could go by without it being an issue… spending so much time checking, then washing. If u go by this ruling, I believe u could apply the concession given to sickness on yourself, that is to repeat wudu every prayer , not worry if it happens between prayers and maybe invest in some good liners/tissues so to cut down washing. Allah Talla is very forgiving, he sees the effort u put in and the distress u suffer from so be kind to yourself and just try your best sister.

Irfan Sir , I would also like to put forth an additional point for consideration:

I came to the conclusions I did because while reading up Ghamidi Sahabs literature about what nullifies wudu, I understood that wudu cannot be broken by the subjective ideas that are some times put forth fuqaha, as wudu and its nullifies are passed on by sunnah established by the Prophet ( SAW). Keeping this in mind, things that can make some otherwise disgusted such as mucous and vomit wouldn’t nullify wudu. No stronger case can be made for this than the ruling regarding blood which elicits the most visceral of reactions from men and women, hence does elicit a sense of disgust for many ( stronger ,one might argue, then even other bodily fluids). Atleast one fiqh infact does call it a nullifier, however due to the lack of proof found in sunnah and Hadith, Ghamidi sahab and many others do not agree ( lack of proof here serves as proof itself as people obviously bled back then as wars were common place). Similarly discharge can subjectively elicit disgust for many (as do blood and mucous) but can it be grounds to prove that it will nullify wudu when in fact our sunnah and Hadith literature is silent on it ( especially when much like in the case for blood, it was obviously a very prevalent phenomena, infact a far more prevalent phenomena than bleeding)?

Please take your time reply, I do not mean to monopolise your time and energy nor do I wish argue for the sake of arguing as I am not a learned religious scholar as such as yourself ( as evident by my many other trivial sounding questions) however I have done enough research on the topic to feel like I need further answers before i rescind my position. Thankyou in advance, I am always grateful for the time you and other moderators take to answer all question, small and big.

Thankyou for replying! In my experience its impurity isn’t felt by nature atleast in my circle ( as I mentioned it never even occurred to me until the issue came in front of me through religious studies though I have been regular in prayers and sensitive in regards to maintaining wudu from a young age) . However obviously my personal observations dont stand to represent the entire of female population so i can not use it as a valid argument.

I understand the point you are trying to make sir, though, most respectfully, if your argument was to be accepted sir i.e human instinct made its impurity so intuitive that women need not ask of it in the prophets time ( but again that is atleast not in my experience)then how is it that women feel the need to ask about irregular menstruation and wet dreams, u could argue women would use their intuition to come to ruling on them themselves when they are far less confusing then white discharge . I find the answer to that is these things are not so intuitive and purity is an important matter that women of the time seemed to have taken seriously aswell that is why they were willing to ask despite propriety making it an awkward topic.

Another point I would like to put forward is how is that women of the time found it so universally intuitive yet women of our time do not, is it that women have suddenly become less educated about their own experiences. On the contrary I think women and men in general are far more aware about their bodily secretions as we have access to modern easily accessible washrooms, water to clean, pads to maintain sanitation and even underwear to observe the presence of something. These things simply did not exist in the past and I can’t imagine women of the time running to check and clean everytime they did or didn’t feel something. This is evident in an honest conversation with almost any women… some find it completely ok, others practice caution while others might find it unacceptable. I have tried to find out what most women think so I can address my own biases and have found that there is mostly just confusion ( and that too for women who have been made aware of its religious implications and I can argue a lot of women who haven’t do not think about it as impure at all).

I feel I have again left a rather lengthy reply without persuading u to give the matter some more reflection and research. So I will leave with this: sir I have listened to some of your lectures and I have heard u say that u do not feel the need to research a topic until there is a reason for it and it is evident that you are not convinced there is a reason for it in this matter. Fair enough , however, as someone who does consider herself a student of yours, I would humbly ask u to give it more thought or atleast (please) read the above links and do so in what ever amount of time is convenient for u as I do not assume you don’t have better things to do because ofcourse you do. This is a sincere request. The only reason u find that it is not relevant is because it is too much of a private matter to most women to discuss easily and a lot of them assume what is easiest for them or hardest for them ( depending on their temperament) and I promise you however, that this is a deeply pressing and stressful topic for women and far more complicated and relevant then u are giving it credit for. Thankyou

also just leaving the links again for ease of access if u would want to read them:

https://gatethirteen.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Ruling-on-Vaginal-Discharge-6.pdf

https://muslimmatters.org/2010/09/22/quandary-of-female-vaginal-discharge/

Sir I took the liberty to ask a much older lady belonging to a different generation who did not have access to the internet growing up and lived a much simpler life ( but from decently religious hoisehold). I did this perhaps to understand if the women of my generation were influenced differently for them to have different opinions ( or intuitions) about their own body. Unsurprisingly, She couldn’t even fathom why I would repeat my wudu based on white discharge as it is ( to her ) completely normal ( and pure is the implication I believe). This further implies that women infact have not intuitively thought of this as impure even in earlier generations. Infact the opposite might be true ( again this is purely based on my own circle of women who are btw namazi, but also internet religious female forum). I apologize if I seem to be needlessly arguing but I’m having a hard time being convinced of the argument and would atleast like to present coherently my own observations for your deliberation and my own.