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  • What Criteria Makes A Normal Action Become A Sin Under Sadd-e-Zariya Pt 2

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member August 4, 2025 at 3:10 am

    @Irfan76

    ‎Sir I understand that the criterion is conscience, but that relates only application, when the heart finds that pivotal point/s in something, then it tells us to avoid. but that pivotal point is first established by a framework of law.

    ‎I’m just trying to find out that pivotal point, the framework on which our heart would measure things from.

    ‎So what is the framework of law regarding it? if we say it’s anything that “leads to sin” then what thing or framework qualifies it to the “leads to sin” category?

    ‎1) Is it applicable if in case, if any action, when done, then the effects of things that are majorly caused by that action would only lead to major sin and not anything else. where we can think of it as something yielding only negative effects. For example a man and woman touching each other, the major effect of this endeavor is sprouting lust, and the end point, the crux, the destination of lust is having ultimate act of intimacy. Here we can generally say that the general effect of touches is only negative yielding effects.

    ‎On the other hand if something yields generally good or generic effects, but along with it some negative effects of sin creeps in too. which can be mitigated in frequency but still may occur only seldomly due to slippages. Then this won’t be categorized as “leading to sin” despite the fact, that if someone adopts it, then alongwith many benefits and things, some seldom occurences of sin would happen too? Here it’s about ratio and what’s the main effect being achieved by the action that makes the action good or bad, and hence okay or sinful, respectively.

    ‎2) or is it that regardless of ratio and what’s the main effect and what creeps in along with it. it is the mere fact that since sin also creeps along with it so now it means doing that action would logically cause some instances of sin as well. so now this action will also categorically sin to do under “sadd e zariya”

    ‎I want to know the framework of

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 6, 2025 at 1:59 am

    Theoretical questions lead nowhere. Bring some real problems to get the answers.

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member August 12, 2025 at 10:09 am

    @Irfan76

    ‎Sir I have two real life examples. I’ll mention one of them.

    ‎A person living in a Muslim country is earning good but he decides to go abroad for earning better money. He finds that a non Muslim country pays him enough and above his target. And he decides to move abroad. But in that country Haram meat and Haram source derived substances are used, and often the meat in public is not slaughtered according to Islam.

    ‎He knows that if he goes there, he’ll most of times would be able to avoid eating such a Haram thing. but while living there for years and for his rest of life, he feels that’s a few rare incidents where he gives in to his urge and consumes something Haram, can happen very likely. and if any sin like that occurs he’ll quickly repent and try to keep himself more resilient.

    ‎Its not like he’ll constantly be indulged in sin of eating Haram once he goes there. but since going there opens a door of access, during years of his stay, it’s highly likely that a few rare incidents of slips may occur where he gives in to his urge.

    ‎Here shifting to that country doesn’t directly or mainly cause only sin. It’s not like going to a pub of Haram meat items. it’s a general thing, which would yield so many benefits of living in a developed country, but a few rare occasions of sin would also occur. (Such a sin the chance of which was not present on his own country, or any other Muslim majority country)

    ‎So sir in this case, would our Deen of Allah require him to not shift to that country, due to sadde zariya principle, and the act of him shifting and living there make him guilty of sadd e zariya violation and sin?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 13, 2025 at 12:42 am

    A Muslim in any condition can encounter something haram that he needs to avoid. There is no obligation to avoid such a test. However, if one chooses to avoid it, he can, but God does not demand it of him.

    • Mohammad Ali Soomro

      Member August 13, 2025 at 2:39 am

      @Irfan76 okay sir I understand.

      Sir for better understanding I wanted to know, that apart from things allah has made clear Haram, what sort of things God demands us to avoid under the context of Sadd e Zariya?

      Like Zina is clear Haram. But God doesn’t just want us to avoid Zina, but some preliminary things as well like lustful stare and touches.

      So what things when fulfills some criteria, fall under preliminary and then they become God’s demand for avoiding? What is this criteria ?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 13, 2025 at 11:55 pm

    Guard your gaze and private parts.

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member August 14, 2025 at 12:13 am

    @Irfan76 No sir I didn’t mean about Zina.

    I was just speaking about the general rule that, for something to fall under category of sadd e zariya, and hence into prohibition.

    Should that qualify to the point that it causes directly and mainly that particular major sin, so now this act becomes negative as it’s main effect (or one of the main effect) is to cause that major sin? Only then it would fall in it?

  • Dr. Irfan Shahzad

    Scholar August 15, 2025 at 3:48 am

    If Yiu can specify an action then we can see how to apply the rules.

  • Mohammad Ali Soomro

    Member August 25, 2025 at 12:48 am

    @Irfan76 sir a real life scenario regarding me.

    Sir as we know that relationships that we make ourselves, like friends and spouse. They do open the gates for some major sin like Backbiting. It’s not like continually attached, and we can avoid and mitigate ourselves to be saved from that sin, but some incidents of backbiting do happen.

    Sir in this same relationship style between friendship and backbiting in an indirect style. If I marry the girl I love much, theres a chance of a specific sin happening (the details of which are long). She’s good Muslim and I am also religious. But that chance of that specific sin happening is there in the same style as backbiting, most of the time it can be mitigated and avoided and we can save ourselves from the sin (just like backbiting) but there can be a few rare incidents where we fall into the sin. The only difference between backbiting and this specific sin is that backbiting exist in every relationship , whichever girl I marry. But this specific sin exist if I marry her, not in any other girl predominantly.

    So in this context will my marriage to her be sinful under context of sadde zariya

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