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Issue Of Takfir When A Proclaimed Muslim Denies Basic Tenets Of Islam
We generally believe that it is not our right to declare someone a disbeliever, and the final judgment is with Allah. However, if a person says verbally, “I am a Muslim,” but at the same time openly states that they do not believe in Allah, do not accept Prophet ﷺ as a messenger, and do not consider the Quran to be the word of Allah, but still insist he’s a muslim in this case, should we still consider them a Muslim or not?
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Issue Of Takfir When A Proclaimed Muslim Denies Basic Tenets Of Islam
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Please see umer sb responses here Discussion 54287 • Reply 54639
Technically, he is not muslim
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Sir who completely follows Islam as deen they are Muslim.I want to know if the people of below category are also Muslim1. Having all 3 tawhid but through
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Could you please elaborate on this a bit more — i couldn’t find the direct answer to my question in the Umer Sb comments you shared above.
When we accept the principle that anyone who calls themselves a Muslim and insists on it cannot be declared a disbeliever—even if their beliefs or actions contain elements of shirk (polytheism) or outright disbelief—then a question arises:
Does this not open the door for anyone to claim whatever they wish, while continuing to call themselves a Muslim, and still be recognized as such?
If you say such a person would technically be a non-Muslim, then for example, if a person were to say, “I am a Muslim, but I do not believe in Allah” or “I am a Muslim, but I reject the Qur’an,” then technically such a person is a disbeliever—even if they verbally insist that they are a Muslim.
But this is precisely the argument of those who say: since such people hold beliefs of clear disbelief, they should indeed be called disbelievers. What a person says with their tongue is not enough; if their beliefs are kufri (disbelieving), then they are to be regarded as disbelievers—since technically they are denying the command of Allah, which in essence is the same as denying Allah Himself.
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What Umer sb is saying is, if he calls himself muslim then he has to profess basic tenets of Islam in public. If he don’t then he is not Muslim.
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Thank you for your response, but I must admit I’m still a little confused and have a follow-up question based on that initial point.
The principle was explained that publicly denying a basic tenet of Islam, like the belief in Allah, would take someone outside the fold of Islam, even though the person introduce himself as a muslim rather insist on that.
My confusion arises from the application of this principle. If that is the standard, then wouldn’t the same logic apply to other fundamental tenets?
For instance, if someone publicly rejects the Finality of Prophethood (Khatm-e-Nabuwwat), aren’t they also publicly denying a basic and essential doctrine of faith?
On what grounds would such a person not be considered to have left the faith, based on the very same principle? I’m trying to understand why the criterion seems consistent for one tenet but not always applied with the same clarity to others.
Could you please help clarify this distinction for me?”
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Someone who denies any tenet of Islam publicly, whether it be Khatm-e-Nabuwat of Prophet Muhammad (sws) or any other, and still claims to be a Muslim, then only rational explanation is that he is doing so because he interprets Quran or Hadith differently. In that case, we will have a discussion on that interpretation. If someone who denies any basic tenet of Islam publicly just out of mere whim and still claims to be a Muslim, no such person exists in real world and if he does, then he requires medical help . We cannot call any person who claims to be a Muslim as being out of the fold of Islam.
Please refer to the video below from 34:20 to 36:31
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