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When Is Income Earned Be Categorized As Haram?
mr @Umer25 this post is my question about whether my understanding of the work that causes minor sins from the previous post is correct or incorrect.
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For the past few days, I have been thinking about work that causes minor sins. Does the money earned from work that causes minor sins cause major sins or not? That is what I have been thinking about for the past few days. What I mean is, what distinguishes them? When God has told us that as long as we can avoid major sins, our minor sins will be forgiven, then if we have a job that causes minor sins, the money earned should not be the same as a job that causes major sins. That’s what’s always on my mind.
Of course, I determine this using my instincts, but my instincts also tell me that not all behaviors that lead to minor sins can be turned into work, because there is a potential for them to lead to major sins or arrogance. For such things, I myself also disagree.
For example, I can agree with acting out a romantic kiss. Even though he kisses (and this is certainly a minor sin) because it is done in a controlled environment and does not lead to a major sin, I agree with this. However, I cannot agree if someone makes a job out of a woman providing services to kiss other people passionately, because this is the same as imitating prostitution, even though it does not involve sex, but the woman is still giving that person the opportunity to commit adultery. That is why I do not agree with this kind of work, even though the action is the same, the result can be different.
It is the same with hitting someone. Although I agree with boxing and UFC, whose main activity is hitting someone, it is very different from someone whose job is to hit someone just for money according to the target. The latter is clearly a major sin.
What I mean is that even though the main activity is the same, the results can be very different, and I strongly avoid work that leads to minor sins but can lead to major sins. Is my thinking correct, sir?
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When Is Income Earned Be Categorized As Haram?
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sir?
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The primary activity is still different. A person who is doing physical hit jobs is a form of oppression and this earning is Haram no doubt. UFC or boxing is not like this, it is an objectionable activity, but not oppression in this sense. Therefore, while we would encourage a person to not pursue this profession, but still their income cannot be declared Haram.
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Okay, I think I understand a little now.
The determining factor that makes an income haram (a major sin) or not is when the activity can directly lead to a major sin.
It’s like a thug who works as a hitman. Even though he doesn’t kill or torture anyone, he is still committing oppression.
Unlike boxing and UFC, both parties agree to the activity they are doing, meaning they agree to have their faces or bodies hurt (of course, this is not like they agree to be tortured or killed). Therefore, in this case, there is no oppression at all. Although this activity may seem bad, because there is a sense of willingness from both parties, this income is not haram.
And in my opinion, this also applies to acting, such as kissing, or models wearing unstylish clothing.
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Yes, correct.
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Sorry… what I meant to say above was that the clothes were inappropriate (this was because of my phone’s auto-correct feature).
So, in conclusion, work that causes minor sins does not result in unlawful earnings (meaning it is not a major sin). However, the person still commits minor sins, but because they have no intention or their activities do not directly lead to major sins, it is still okay (Although, by nature, such activities should not be done)
Boxing and others mentioned above have been regulated to prevent them from leading to major sins (meaning there are measures to prevent them from leading to major sins, even if they involve minor sins. Whether it’s due to the nature of the minor sin itself or consciously taking preventive actions)
Am I correct, sir?
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With the primary activity being Halal i.e. acting on genuine script, the income is Halal. Minor sins should be avoided and are prohibited nevertheless, but they do not make that income haram which is from Halal means primarily, both intended and disclosed (i.e. meaning the the intention is to make a drama or movie which is primarily based on Halal script and the same intention has been disclosed as well. Consider it in comparison to a movie which is intended to be sexual in nature (intimate scenes etc.) and has been disclosed as such. Here the first movie and its activity is primarily Halal while the latter is primarily Haram).
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Sir, I am still confused about the main activity you are referring to. What do you mean by saying that the main activity is permissible even though there are activities that cause minor sins within it?
For example, if I were a second-rate actor, and the director only asked me to perform intimate or inappropriate scenes in the film, such as kissing or other inappropriate acts (of course, not to have sex, because if I were asked to have sex, that would be a major sin), would my income still be halal?
As a man, I’m honestly happy to get a role like this, but I also don’t want this activity to become a major sin (i.e., having sex).
“Consider it in comparison to a movie which is intended to be sexual in nature (intimate scenes, etc.)” Do you mean pornographic films? If so, that is clearly a major sin.
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Whether it is a pornographic film featuring Person A, or Person A being specifically hired to perform intimate scenes in an otherwise permissible movie, both situations are prohibited, and the income earned by Person A in either case would also be prohibited. In the first scenario, the very nature of a pornographic film is inherently Haram, and therefore all actions performed within it are likewise Haram. In the second scenario, although the movie’s overall script may be permissible, Person A is engaged solely for intimate scenes. Consequently, the primary activity of Person A remains a prohibited act, and thus the income derived from it is impermissible.
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But why, sir?
As far as I know, if the job only causes minor sins and does not lead to major sins, then it is still permissible (even though he commits minor sins).
I agree with the first part; if it’s a pornographic film, then obviously it’s wrong.
But for the second scenario, I’m a bit confused, sir. How can it be haram? Isn’t it still in the realm of minor sins that don’t lead to major sins? Obviously, if it leads to major sins, then it’s immediately haram. However, when he is aware of his limits and only engages in activities that cause minor sins without disturbing others and in a controlled environment, isn’t that okay?
And this is the same as boxing and UFC, where the main activity in the match is hitting people. Although from the outside, this activity only appears to be a sport, many people also do UFC and boxing because they want to prove that they are the strongest or because they like to hit people. However, because doing this in public can cause problems, they join boxing or UFC to avoid these problems. Is this also haram, sir?
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I also got my understanding from this forum:
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sir can you anwer it?
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The act of being intimate itself is Haram/prohibited, even if it is a minor sin.
Boxing is not prohibited in the same category. Besides, the status of boxing or UFC in this current sports format is more of an ijtihadi matter now. But intimacy with opposite gender is clearly prohibited in Islam. Therefore, two cannot be compared in equal sense.
Yes, both could lead to minor sins, but their degree of sinning is not established on equal footing.
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Sir, the intimacy referred to here is adultery (sex), right? Because when I looked up the definition of intimacy, kissing was also included, but acting out a kiss is still considered a minor sin.
So I can conclude that the intimate activities that are prohibited here are those that are very close to adultery (such as exposing private parts).
I believe that revealing private areas to a small group of friends and not publicly displaying them is still a minor sin. However, when this becomes a profession, it is clearly wrong. Is that correct, sir?
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And I agree that if an intimate scene is too vulgar it is wrong (such as holding genitals like husband and wife or nudity), it is the same as giving opportunity for adultery.
That’s why, when I asked about intimate scenes here, I meant those that do not give opportunity for adultery, such as kissing. -
Sir, can you provide verses from the Quran and also hadiths about income? I want to know whether my argument is still in accordance with the Quran and Sunnah.
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@Umer25 sir, can you provide verses from the Quran and also hadiths about income? I want to know whether my argument is still in accordance with the Quran and Sunnah or not
I won’t ask the previous question, I just want to ask about this one thing, sir. Please answer it, sir.
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We should not earn through haram means. Haram refers to any activity that is sinful in Islam, whether it involves a major sin or a minor one. If an entire activity is built upon committing a sin, then any income derived from it is also considered haram. However, if the primary nature of an activity is halal but a small aspect of it involves a minor sin, the income itself does not become haram—though the individual would still be accountable for that minor sin.
The question, then, is whether sports like boxing or UFC fall into the category of sinful activities. If someone personally considers them equivalent to other haram acts—major or minor—then naturally, they would view the income from such sports as haram. However, I do not see them at that level. A more accurate way to classify these sports is as discouraged rather than outright sinful in a way that invalidates one’s earnings. Therefore, participating in them does not make a person’s income haram, even if certain aspects may be viewed as disliked or discouraged.
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So, is the income earned from work that involves major and minor sins the same if the main nature of the activity leads to sinful acts?
Then, sir, I would like to ask, for example, if a man challenges a woman by wearing bikini on the beach where many people also wear bikinis (of course, the clothing does not lead to major sins and does not disturb those around them because that is the norm there). Is the money earned by the woman haram, meaning a major sin?
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Money earned from any activity which in itself is a Haram activity (major or minor) is prohibited.
I didn’t understand the beach example.
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Okay, sir, then one more thing. This might be a little taboo. Then what about people who work to make sex dolls? Are people who work to make sex dolls haram?
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This is again something that will fall within discouraged activities, but not Haram.
Please see:
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But as far as I know, sex doll manufacturers must create dolls that closely resemble the human body. And since this is for masturbation purposes, it must be able to arouse human sexual desire (which means the sex doll must display the naked form of a woman), and when we make it, it will definitely arouse sexual desire, which means that the workers are committing a minor sin (from seeing the doll and making the doll, which arouses sexual desire). That means this job causes minor sins. So, is the money earned from this haram (a major sin)?
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I am not aware of these details. But if this is true then yes, your conclusion is correct.
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So, since their job is to make dolls (objects, not living beings), even though they may commit minor sins in the process, these sins do not lead to major sins such as adultery, and as much as possible, the dolls do not resemble real people (they can use anime characters or other cartoon characters).
Even if there is a resemblance to real people, it must be immediately disclosed to the person involved to prevent it from becoming another issue (i.e., sexual harassment). Therefore, after going through all of that, the sale of sex dolls is still permissible, because what is being sold is a doll, not a picture of a real person (I consider a photo of a real person to be the same as the person themselves, which means that if someone is photographed naked, then looking at the photo is the same as seeing them naked. This is because it reflects the light from the person being photographed. Therefore, since dolls are made by hand or machine, they are not the same as photos).
Is my answer correct, sir?
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I’m not aware of this business and how it works or how it looks. But from a principle point, if there is exposure of fawahish involved the way you described in the previous reply i.e. creating and showing private parts that look like female private parts or making replica of exact naked body of a woman etc. then it is fawahish and such a business will be considered prohibited in religion.
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But sir, aren’t these just dolls and not real people? I understand that if these were real people, then obviously this work would be prohibited, but since these are just dolls, isn’t it okay, sir?
I got this answer from a similar case, sir, about sex robots.Discussion 53584
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If you are thinking of selling sex dolls by openly displaying them in public in a state of nudity, of course that is not allowed sir. Of course, when selling them in public, they wear clothes on the sex dolls; it is impossible to openly display sex dolls without clothes in public. But once they have been purchased… well, that is a private matter.
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In that case it will not be Haram but still discouraged.
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Even if they are not real people, still there are some issues involved. Think of it this way, just the way we will consider selling nude/naked sketch or painting of a female body as Haram, similarly selling nude dolls replicating a female body cannot be considered as allowed.
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Perhaps what you mean is that if an image or doll is too similar to a real person, then I agree that it should be prohibited. For example, if someone tried to make a sex doll that looked like my wife, I would certainly be angry and would sue the person who did it. Even though it is only an image and not a photo, if someone tries to harass my wife by making a sex doll, I understand that the income from this kind of work is clearly haram. This is because it is the same as trying to harass a woman, which can be categorized as tabarruj and falls under the hadith about naked women who try to mislead someone onto the wrong path.
Then, unlike the first case, if someone tries to make a sex doll with references from cartoon or anime characters, then all of the above points will disappear (because here he is not trying to represent someone in the real world, so the problematic things in the first case will disappear).
I understand that making pictures or dolls in the form of naked women is not good. Those who make sex dolls cannot openly sell their dolls in public while naked; they must wear clothes when selling them. So, you always have to look at the conditions and the place where they are selling. If it is disturbing and leads to grave sin… then clearly this is not allowed.
Additionally, instinctively, I cannot equate images of a naked woman with images of naked cartoons. Both are indeed bad, but not to the same extent. Naturally, I think this way, sir. Is my thinking correct?
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Most of what you said is correct. If these conditions are fulfilled, the income from such a sale would not be considered haram. However, from the broader perspective of Tazkiya in Islam, this type of business remains generally discouraged.
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i see…….This implies that when selling, the item must be worn, but once purchased, it becomes the personal responsibility of the user.
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@Umer25 sir?
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