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Ibrahim عليه السلام Asking Forgiveness For Parents
Ibrahim عليه السلام was discouraged to ask forgiveness for his father while he was alive but then later on when the Kaaba was being built / was built he says rabbighfirli wa LIWALIDAYA. Isn’t this a contradiction ?
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Ibrahim عليه السلام Asking Forgiveness For Parents
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The general answer is that the original asking was done because of the promise to do so and then afterwards it was made clear that this is wrong and this supplication was made before that.
But this doesn’t make sense as we can tell from the context ibrahim عليه السلام has already had his children and this is much later in life
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I mean unless ibrahim عليه السلام delayed fulfilling his promise so many decades- is this a plausible interpretation ?
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Since it has been answered by Quran itself, therefore, there is no need to speculate it on our own.
It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it has become clear that they are people of hell fire. The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear to him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, lone suffering. [9:113-114]
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Some people argue it was that in the heat of the rejection period ibrahim عليه السلام was told not to ask for forgiveness. When they were throwing him in the fire and being arrogant.
But after this that they have died to hope for forgiveness still this dua was made.
Since it doesn’t make much sense to fulfil the promise so late
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Also the verse you quoted says clearly that ‘when it became clear to him’. It does not make sense that it took ibrahim عليه السلام decades to realise that the punishment his father got was because he was an enemy of God. He would’ve found out very soon. So it seems a dua was made after the promise. This was done in the itmaam e hujjat of the first qawm of Ibrahim عليه السلام .
Then later on in life he asks forgiveness for his parents again
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There is no possible way of knowing the timeline of events and the gap between them with absolute certainty, but in the light of quranic verses, it is fair to assume that this prayer was made before Abraham (AS) was prohibited by Allah to do so. In case of itmam-e-Hujjah, it only becomes clear to a Prophet (rasul) who is enemy and who is not, when Allah informs him of such. A Prophet cannot reach to such conclusions on his own.
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But sir the timeline seems to be like this- please tell me where I’m making an assumption:
- Ibrahim عليه السلام promises his father to ask forgiveness for him
- As he was a prophet of God he surely knew not to make a promise like this for the munkireen so he did not know when he was promising that his father was from them
- Ibrahim عليه السلام is informed by God that his father is from the munkireen as the process of itmaam e hujjat carries on
- Ibrahim عليه السلام Asks forgiveness much later in life
If this timeline is correct ibrahim عليه السلام knew his father was a denier of the truth and still asked for forgiveness.The Quran references the forgiveness that Ibrahim عليه السلام did so it must be referenced somewhere else in the Quran or in other scriptures somewhere. I’m not sure about other scriptures but the only reference in the Quran is the one that occurs later in life
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point 2 is not correct, all the dealings and relationships stay normal until God informs His Prophet to cut off the ties completely and no kind of relationship is to be maintained from that point onward, including no further prayers to be made for their hidayah and forgiveness as well.
point 3 and 4, although require a certain leap to reach the conclusion you just presented, but I can see that its possible for this misunderstanding to arise for a reader of Quran. I will try if this can be answered directly by Ghamidi Sahab.
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Ok bhai إن شاء الله of he can answer it that would be great.
It also doesn’t make sense that the dua being referred to occurred before God Informed Ibrahim عليه السلام to cut ties. This is because where it is said that he only made the dua because of his promise it is said that it is not befitting that once a prophet has been informed to cut ties that he makes a dua like this. So it seems the dua must have been made after ibrahim عليه السلام was informed to cut ties. So the dua rabbighfirli waliwalidayya was an exception for Ibrahim عليه السلام
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Ghamidi sahab in his latest mezan lecture talked about this and said ‘where was the prohibition?’
It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it has become clear that they are people of hell fire. The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear to him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, lone suffering. [9:113-114]
Here it is. So to be clear. The forgiveness that Ibrahim عليه السلام asked was simply an exception because of his promise.
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In recent Q&A Session with Ghamidi Sahab on Questions selected from ASK GHAMIDI Platform:
For answer to your question, please refer to the video below from 1:14:20 to 1:17:23
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Consider the following points as well:
1) The course of events and their sequence of how they unfolded in the history cannot be known with certainty. Therefore, there is no possible way of knowing the timeline of events and the gap between them with absolute certainty.
2) The prohibition discussed in Surah Tauba relates to and for the time only when decision has been made of their punishment (azab) by the Almighty. This is the very reason Prophet Nuh (AS) when asked forgiveness for His son at the moment of Allah’s Azab in his nation, Nuh (AS) was asked not to do so (See: Quran 11:45-47). In the absence of any such decision, there is no prohibition for prayer. The same can be seen when Prophet Muhammad’s (sws) prayer for Hypocrites has been discussed in Quran (See: Quran 9:80).
3) Therefore, there could be two possibilities in this regard:
a) The reference to Abraham (AS) prayer and its prohibition in Surah Taubah could relate to the prayer made at a different time than mentioned in 14:39-41 before the time the decision was made for punishment of His nation and He stopped once the decision was made. And the Prayer mentioned in 14:39-41 happened later after azab and everything, because then there was no prohibition to make prayer long after Azab related to itmam-e-hujjat happens.
b) Since there is no established history available for timeline of such events, therefore it could also be possible that prayer mentioned in 14:39-41 was made before prohibition and before decision of Azab on Hazrat Abraham’s (As) nation. Details of Hazrat Abraham’s (AS) itmam-e-hujjat in terms of when Azab was inflicted on His nation are not available in Quran, therefore nothing certain can be said in this regard.
(I am closing this thread so that readers can reach answer of Ghamidi Sahab easily. You can start a new thread anytime for further queries related to this question)
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