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  • Quran 22:31-33

    Posted by Ahmad Shoaib on October 10, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    who associates partners with God, it is as if he has fallen down from the sky.58 Now birds may snatch him away or the wind may take him away and throw him at a far off place.59

    58. Ie., though he was soaring high in the sky by believing in one God, he fell down.

    59. The implication is that now there is nothing but death and devastation for him. It may well be that some devil gets the better of him or his own base desires may plunge him into a deep pit.

    https://youtu.be/XvYIpYmKHJA

    Sir NAK discusses these aayaat from 2:43:30 till the end.

    In a nutshell NAK says that the falling from the sky refers to when an army had the high ground and they still lost the Arabs said they fell from the sky. This was a humiliating thing because having the high ground is better snd easier to win. So to lose even after that is humiliating.

    Then the birds picking at them is because it was so humiliating- their tribespeople didn’t even give them a proper burial and just let the vultures eat them.

    Then the remains left even after this was just lost to unknown lands.

    This gruesome picture is the reality of shirk.

    I personally think NAK’s explanation makes more sense that Ghamidi sahabs if the battle and falling from the sky thing is true. Also what does Ghamidi sahabs explanation mean when talking about being blown off to uncharted lands- i don’t really get footnote 59.

    This also sparks a deeper conversation of why is it so difficult to sometimes relate with Quranic examples? Has this history of EG falling from the sky referring to losing a battle with the high ground been transmitted authentically? Should it have any affect on the Quranic interpretation?

    Umer replied 3 years, 10 months ago 2 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Quran 22:31-33

    Umer updated 3 years, 10 months ago 2 Members · 7 Replies
  • Umer

    Moderator October 13, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    I’ve read these verses before and found them aesthetically complete metaphors in communicating the menace of ‘Shirk’. Regarding their usage in Arab customs in sense presented by Nauman Sahab, we can ask Ghamidi Sahab about this.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor October 14, 2020 at 2:05 am

      Ok إن شاء الله

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor November 4, 2020 at 9:13 am

      Is it still on the list?

    • Umer

      Moderator November 5, 2020 at 6:23 am

      Yes!

  • Umer

    Moderator November 16, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    In recent Q&A Session with Ghamidi Sahab on Questions selected from ASK GHAMIDI Platform:

    For answer to your question, please refer to the video below from 1:12:45 to 1:14:42

    https://youtu.be/KPl2MtuwOW4?t=4365

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor November 16, 2020 at 5:51 pm

      But this doesn’t really answer the question. Wouldn’t NAK’s interpretation be more historically sound if those Arabs used these idioms?

    • Umer

      Moderator November 16, 2020 at 5:55 pm

      This answer clearly tells that according to Ghamidi Sahab, there are no such Idioms w.r.t culture, specific to Arabs as pointed out by Nauman Sahab.

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