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  • Establishing Quran As A Source Of Knowledge (Zaria-e-Ilm)

    Posted by Sheharbano Ali on October 17, 2020 at 11:36 am

    As a layperson, how do I deal with the criticism from the apologetics regarding historical errors in the Quran? Its different with science and the ayahs that talk about stuff that could be related to it. There, its important to understand the context and the subject of the ayah. But with history, having no background knowledge how does one weigh the reliability? Especially the ones for which they put forth archaeological evidence?

    Sheharbano Ali replied 4 years, 2 months ago 3 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Establishing Quran As A Source Of Knowledge (Zaria-e-Ilm)

  • A Hasan

    Contributor October 17, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    As long as it’s not hathi on tiddi ki tang which you can usually see for yourself

    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member October 17, 2020 at 3:16 pm

      Please explain it in simpler terms @AhmadShoaib bhai!Grinning

    • Umer

      Moderator October 17, 2020 at 7:49 pm

      This is with reference to famous quote of Amin Ahsan Islahi Sahab often quoted by Ghamidi Sahab: “Tiddi ki tang miljaye toh us pai haathi ka khool charha daitay hain”Joy

    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member October 18, 2020 at 5:06 am

      Ohhh I get it now! Smile

  • Umer

    Moderator October 17, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    What kind of scientific evidence are you referring to, can you please elaborate?

    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member October 18, 2020 at 5:13 am

      Archaeological*

      And umer bhai im not talking about events like The Noah’s flood and its archaeological evidence/historical authenticity. But stuff like Makkah not existing in the time, and Muhammad (saw) not being a descendant from the Arabs or the Ishmaelites. Or the archaeological evidence they present to prove the historical inauthenticity of the stories of Ad and Thamud in the Quran etc.

      (I know your answer already but I still need you to answer).

    • Umer

      Moderator October 18, 2020 at 6:21 am

      We need to distinguish between what is actually a scientific evidence and what is merely a scientific conjecture common in anti-Islamic rhetoric for which there is no scientific backing.

      Regarding the parts that Mecca was non-existent at that time, Muhammad (sws) not being Arab and similar points–they all lack scientific evidence and if you dissect deeper, are merely based on conjectures and fueled by anti-Islamic rhetoric. These points are so absurd they are not even brought-up by mainstream Atheists who are scientist themselves like Richard Dawkins, P.Z. Meyers, Lawrence Krauss, Daniel Dennett etc. etc. Finally, all these conjectures go against the most reliable source of knowledge i.e. established history which is transmitted through ijma and tawatur. If someone starts denying that part of knowledge, then its better to not indulge with them in any sort of discussion.

      Regarding the archeological evidence, there are few points that must be kept in mind. There is no way to make sure the exhaustiveness of archaeological evidence, just because some evidence hasn’t been found doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You cannot extrapolate the population on the basis of sample evidence found in archaeology. All such evidence stands in Isolation and it is natural and scientific to build a relationship or link of chains between civilizations but at the same time the evidence is not exhaustive and we have to way of knowing how much have we found and how much are we missing in-between that.

      In order to establish Quran as a zaria-e-ilm for those who don’t believe it to be so, we first need to establish its Divine Nature through the same means of knowledge we use in every domain of life namely, observation and experimentation, induction, logical inference and established history. It is only through these means one can establish Quran as an independent source of knowledge (as done by Ghamidi Sahab in Zavia-e-Ghamidi Series).

  • Sheharbano Ali

    Member October 18, 2020 at 12:03 pm

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