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    Posted by A Hasan on October 27, 2020 at 8:32 pm

    Quran talks about lahw al hadeeth and laghw. What does it refer to? Is it all that leads away from the Quran? What about joking and general conversation?

    Abdul Sattar Ahmed replied 1 year, 3 months ago 3 Members · 10 Replies
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  • A Hasan

    Contributor October 28, 2020 at 5:27 pm

    @sheharbano Could you help here?

    جزاكم الله خيرا

    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member October 28, 2020 at 6:16 pm

      A short answer would be – Yes!

      Both of the ayahs that mention these words ‘Lahw al hadeeth’ and ‘laghw’ have the same meaning. I’ll copy the Tafsir below. But I would also like to add on something. For the part where you asked ‘what about.’ This list is going to increase as you progress with faith to a point when you wouldn’t feel the need to ask ‘what about?’.

      Quran urges one to think, reflect, ponder. A person of your calibre knows the extent to which it pushes one’s intellect. So I don’t need to explain that part. But the point is, this isn’t going to be a result of somebody telling you. Or if i may say, somebody forcing you to think a certain way. This is something that you yourself have to experience and affirm. After applying Allah’s laws in your life and then being introspective of the results. Do you feel a certain way when you’re joking around or having a ‘general’ conversation with someone? Is it messing with the thought of purity or something? So laws or a statement isn’t going to really change the way you act. It should come from within you.

      Now something from the scholars 😄 (that i wholeheartedly agree to).

      23:3) who avoid whatever is vain and frivolous;4

      4. Literally, laghv is anything nonsensical, meaningless and vain, which is in no way conducive to achieving one’s goal and purpose in life. The believers pay no heed to such useless things and they show no inclination or interest for them. If by chance they see such things being indulged in, they keep away and avoid them scrupulously, or treat them with utmost indifference. This attitude has been described in (Surah Al-Furqan, Ayat 72), thus: If they have to pass by what is vain, they pass by like dignified people.

      This is indeed one of the outstanding characteristics of the believer. He is a person who feels the burden of responsibility at all times. He regards the world as a place of test, and the life as the limited time allowed for the test. This feeling makes him behave seriously and responsibly throughout life just like the student who is taking an exam with his whole mind and body and soul absorbed in it. Just as the student knows and feels that each moment of the limited time at his disposal is important and decisive for his future life, and is not inclined to waste it, so the believer also spends each moment of his life on works which are useful and productive in their ultimate results. So much so that even in matters of recreation and sport, he makes a choice of only those things which prepare him for higher ends in life and do not result in mere wastage of time. For him time is not something to be killed but used profitably and productively.

      Besides this, the believer is a person who possesses a right thinking mind, pure nature and fine taste. He has no inclination to indecent things. He can talk useful and healthy things but cannot indulge in idle talk. He has a fine taste of humor, but is not given to jesting, joking, ridicule, etc. nor can he endure dirty jokes and fun. For him a society in which the ears are never immune from abusive language, back-biting, slander; lying, dirty songs and indecent talk is a source of torture and agony. A characteristic of the promised Paradise is: Therein you will not hear anything vain or useless.

      Towards understanding the Quran by Maulana Maududi.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor October 28, 2020 at 8:10 pm

      So much so that even in matters of recreation and sport, he makes a choice of only those things which prepare him for higher ends in life and do not result in mere wastage of time.

      Is there any difference then, in matters of sport and recreation and working to study for a worldly exam to get a job?

      Shouldn’t one just spend his entire life in worship?

      Unless I’m understanding wrong.

      Would it be wrong to say that we should live our lives- play sports, work for exams and get jobs- and in our lives that we are living we always ensure that we take our time for religious rituals- and we ensure that we always uphold the morals as we are living our lives

    • A Hasan

      Contributor October 28, 2020 at 8:15 pm

      It is impossible to simply always worship. But it is possible to always keep in mind the morals we have to uphold.

      Am i correct in saying we should then not waste our time in watching Netflix?

      If so- what separates Netflix from studying to become a doctor in the grand scheme of things?

      Perhaps doctor is not the best example since you are helping people- let’s say studying to become an artist.

    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member October 29, 2020 at 5:09 pm

      “It is impossible to simply always worship.” This statement isn’t correct because you’re confining worship to the rituals only.

      إِنَّا هَدَيْنَاهُ السَّبِيلَ إِمَّا شَاكِرًا وَإِمَّا كَفُورًا

      After mentioning the process of man’s creation, Allah then mentions that you could either choose to be grateful or ungrateful. So being grateful to Him is worshipping Him. Now you need His guidance in order to find out how to be grateful. To know what He wants from you. And then using your وسعة and your شاكلة to fulfill that purpose.

      Ask yourself then before every decision, every action, every word that you speak if its going to be beneficial for your Akhirah ultimately, then you’ll have your answers.

      Your seeking the truth, your struggles to finding out answers, even the time you’re spending here in order to find answers and gain knowledge to be closer to Him is worship. Even the thoughts that run through your mind when answering etc. He knows All. So worship needs to be understood in the larger context.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 5:39 pm

      Playing Nintendo switch then should not happen? That definitely isn’t worship.

      Should we be spending very second then, in the search for truth or helping those in need, or doing rituals?

      Should we not study to become artists or engineers then? That’s not worship

    • Sheharbano Ali

      Member November 1, 2020 at 1:15 am

      It shouldn’t, very honestly. However, realistically it won’t be a problem if currently you just do it in your free time. But with time this should improve and replaced with something more beneficial, InshaAllah. The condition shouldn’t remain stagnant.

      Yes just divide your time between these things. When doing none of this, you could just busy yourselves in tasbeeh. Point being, every second could be utilised in His remembrance or to gain closeness to Him. Its not difficult at all.

      Regarding this, im also not very clear yet. Shouldn’t we all be spending time with God’s book FIRST and then everything else should become secondary? I mean that should be the goal and the rest, everybody has to measure? I myself need to be clear on this particular aspect @AhmadShoaib . I haven’t gotten an answer myself. If you figure out something, let me know too!

    • A Hasan

      Contributor November 1, 2020 at 6:49 am

      I mean the Quran does say to seek from the bounty of God. So I think it’s the balance that’s required: but always uphold the base moralities that can be done everywhere

  • Sheharbano Ali

    Member October 29, 2020 at 5:30 pm
  • Abdul Sattar Ahmed

    Member August 16, 2023 at 5:21 pm

    In my opinion entertainment itself Is fine as long as it does not in the way of religious obligations. For Example if its time for Salah and you keep watching your show and play your game instead of leaving it to give it importance. Other than that overindulgence in entertainment could also be argued here too I guess. Starting a separate thread on a related topic soon.

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