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  • Quran 9:10-13 Reason For The Directive Of War

    Posted by A Hasan on October 28, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    At-Taubah – 9:13

    Arabic

    أَلَا تُقَٰتِلُونَ قَوۡمًا نَّكَثُوٓاْ أَيۡمَٰنَهُمۡ وَهَمُّواْ بِإِخۡرَاجِ ٱلرَّسُولِ وَهُم بَدَءُوكُمۡ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍۚ أَتَخۡشَوۡنَهُمْۚ فَٱللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَن تَخۡشَوۡهُ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤۡمِنِينَ

    This ayah hints towards the reason for the fighting verse being due to the breaking of a treaty rather than itmam e hujjah.

    Was the directive to kill because of itmam e hujjah or breaking the treaty since 9:6 also makes it seem as though itmam e hujjah wasn’t completed

    Faisal Haroon replied 4 years, 1 month ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Quran 9:10-13 Reason For The Directive Of War

    Faisal Haroon updated 4 years, 1 month ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
  • A Hasan

    Contributor October 28, 2020 at 11:55 pm

    Also,

    At-Taubah – 9:10

    Arabic

    لَا يَرۡقُبُونَ فِى مُؤۡمِنٍ إِلًّا وَلَا ذِمَّةًۚ وَأُوْلَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلۡمُعۡتَدُونَ

    This has the same implication

  • A Hasan

    Contributor October 29, 2020 at 12:02 am

    Also 9:6 makes it seem like it was a directive to defend yourselves since they fought first. It doesn’t seem like a divine advance or punishment like the ones given to other prophets perhaps

  • A Hasan

    Contributor October 29, 2020 at 12:04 am

    Also 9:12 says ‘So that they may cease’. If it was a divine punishment like that if the Israelites the purpose would be to kill. The purpose here was just to make them stop it seems

  • A Hasan

    Contributor October 29, 2020 at 12:14 am

    For reference:

    At-Taubah – 9:12

    Arabic

    وَإِن نَّكَثُوٓاْ أَيۡمَٰنَهُم مِّنۢ بَعۡدِ عَهۡدِهِمۡ وَطَعَنُواْ فِى دِينِكُمۡ فَقَٰتِلُوٓاْ أَئِمَّةَ ٱلۡكُفۡرِۙ إِنَّهُمۡ لَآ أَيۡمَٰنَ لَهُمۡ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَنتَهُونَ

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator October 29, 2020 at 12:24 am

    Please read the surah from the beginning to understand the context.

    • Shaun Shaikh

      Member October 29, 2020 at 12:35 am

      The Usul of Ghamidi Sahab is to read the text of Quran as a coherent whole. How does a coherent reading of surah 9 ayat 1 to 15 support the narrative that the hukm to kill was for knowingly disbelieving? The text seems clear that other reasons are given, repeatedly, for the hukm to kill.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 12:51 am

      Yes- the reason of ‘for breaking their oath’ is repeated over and over again. And the purpose is not to kill them as the purpose of the directive of God’s punishment usually is- it’s just to make them desist. Also 9:6 makes it seem that the balagha was not completed yet

  • A Hasan

    Contributor October 29, 2020 at 12:52 am

    11. I.e., they are not much aware of religion and the institution of prophethood and hence deserve to be treated with lenience. It may well be possible that after a long period of preaching and pursuasion some aspect still remains in the conclusive communication of the truth. Hence, if any one of these people need asylum to hear and understand what was being presented to them, Muslims must give him this respite and after reciting and making him understand the word of God transport him to his place of safety so that he can calmly reflect and decide whether he has to accept Islam or die. After this, obviously he too will have to face the same directive that is mentioned earlier.

    this is Ghamidi sahabs tafsir of 9:6. This kind of hints that itmam e hujjat wasn’t completed- the people didn’t even know the message- the balagh as not done- so how would the punishment even after four months be justified?

    @faisalharoon I think you can delete the other conversation as it would be better if we also discuss 9:6 here

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator October 29, 2020 at 11:18 am

    Please watch the videos in the following discussion to understand the entire issue of jihad from the ground up. The directives in chapter 9 of the Quran are discussed at length in these videos. You can also read up the chapter on jihad in Ghamidi sahab’s book Meezan, or it’s English translation, Islam – A Comprehensive Introduction.

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    • A Hasan

      Contributor October 29, 2020 at 11:19 am

      So this is jihad and not the punishment of itmam e hujjah?

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator October 29, 2020 at 11:30 am

      The answer is in the response above.

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