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  • Sura Saaffaat – Quran 37: Salam On Messengers

    Posted by Imran Shafiq on November 21, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    In Surah Saaffaat: Allah mentions Nuh, Ibrahim, Musa/Harun, Ilyaas and sends specific salaam on them, calls them muhsineen and ibaadina-al-momineen. But Allah doesn’t do that specifically for Lut and Yunus. Then in the 2nd last ayat, Allah sends salaam on all His messengers (peace be upon all of them).

    Does this show their “stature” based on their purity/servitude/sacrifice? or is this some “asloob-e-bayaan”?

    Also, for Ilyaas. Allah uses Ilyaaseen which is plural – why is that different from the others?

    37:75 => Nuh, 37:79 salaam 37:80 muhsineen 37:81 ibaadina

    37:83 => Ibrahim, 37:109 salaam 37:110 muhsineen 37:111 ibaadina

    37:114 => Musa/Harun, 37:120 salaam 37:121 muhsineen 37:122 ibaadina

    37:123 => Ilyaas, 37:130 salaam 37:131 muhsineen 37:132 ibaadina (ilyaaseen?)

    37:133 => Lut

    37:139 => Yunus

    37:181 => Wa salaamun Al-al-mursaleen

    Jazak-Allah,

    Imran.

    Umer replied 4 years ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Sura Saaffaat – Quran 37: Salam On Messengers

    Umer updated 4 years ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator November 24, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    God is not sending salam on these messengers – God is relating how people send salam on them.

    If you read Quran in English, the best translation I have found is by Muhammad Asad. He capitalizes letters of a word when a new topic starts in the middle of a surah, puts quotes around words in proper places, and shows continuation of an ayah into the next ayah by putting proper punctuation, etc. This way the meaning becomes much clearer.

    Your question about Ilyas is not clear. Please elaborate.

    • Imran Shafiq

      Member November 25, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      @faisalharoon Thank you for pointing out that Allah is relating to the later generations remembering them. However the question still remains about the repeating sequence and its absence in the account of Lut/Yunus The sequence is: 37:79 salaam 37:80 muhsineen 37:81 ibaadina-al-momineen

      The question around Ilyas PBUH is that in the 37:123 he is referred to as Ilyas, and in 37:130 he is referred to as Ilyaaseen (which is plural). so why the plural and why is this change of singular/plural absent with Nuh/Ibrahim/Musa & Harun etc

      These questions are just out of curiosity.

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator November 25, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    37:130 has been translated in different ways. In Ghamidi sahab’s opinion the plural is used to magnify the honor of Ilyas AS, while in Muhammad Asad’s view the plural is used to include the followers of Ilyas AS – just like the followers of Buddha are called Budhists.

  • Umer

    Moderator December 13, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    In recent Q&A Session with Ghamidi Sahab on Questions selected from ASK GHAMIDI Platform:

    For answer to your question, please refer to the video below from 1:13:37 to 1:15:33

    https://youtu.be/tio2EVImUGM?t=4417

  • Sheharbano Ali

    Member December 15, 2020 at 5:54 am

    What about the second part of the question?

    “why is this change of singular/plural absent with Nuh/Ibrahim/Musa & Harun etc” @UmerQureshi @faisalharoon

    • Umer

      Moderator December 20, 2020 at 11:36 am

      If you look a bit deeply into these verses, there are a few things that might help in understanding the choice of divine words used in these verses:

      1) The verses in this particular context start from verse 75, and for Nuh (sws), سَلٰمٌ عَلٰی نُوۡحٍ فِی الۡعٰلَمِیۡنَ has been used in verse 79. This flow ends with ilyas (sws) and for him سَلٰمٌ عَلٰۤی اِلۡ یَاسِیۡنَ has been used in verse 130. Both start and end have used language which glorifies them. And in between these verses are Ibrahim (sws) and Musa & Harun (sws) for whom سَلٰمٌ عَلٰۤی اِبۡرٰہِیۡمَ and سَلٰمٌ عَلٰی مُوۡسٰی وَ ہٰرُوۡنَ have been used in verses 109 and 120 respectively.

      2) Right after these verses, there is mention of Lut (sws) and Yunus (sws) but the context has taken a subtle shift here, here comes ‘jumla-e-motraza’ while discussing these messengers. In case of Lut (sws), there was an immediate need to give reference to those lands which Arabs knew very clearly about (as mentioned in verses 137, 138). Same is the case with Yunus (sws), where his story was being told to remind them of the fact that it was not too late yet. The presence of these special mentions have made the kalaam to take this shift towards reminder and then suddenly towards inzar as seen in next verses. Therefore, considering the flow and context of kalam in this case, it would have been against the beauty of kalaam to repeat those Salaam verses here because if mentioned, it would’ve overshadowed the actual reminders that were present in those specific cases of Lut (sws) and Yunus (sws).

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