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How Many Angels At Badr?
8:9 says that a thousand angels will be sent. 3:124-125 says that five thousand will be sent
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How Many Angels At Badr?
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How does ‘in succession’ imply that thousands more will follow. Unless I’m interpreting incorrectly, it simply refers to the fact that one thousand angels will come one after the other (imagery to show that they will flow and run).
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This is the only part where im confused. Does the Arabic wording specifically means one thousand angels? Or could it mean thousands of angels, dank after rank?
Because then only your interpretation (mentioned in the above reply) would make sense leaving room for no other.
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Exactly
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So then? Do share your conclusion whenever you have formed one.
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8:9 is taking about Badr
While 3:124-125 is talking about Uhad
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Is this taken from some sort of historical evidence or is it explicit in the Quran that these were at least two different battles?
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When you read the verses related to both wars, it becomes quite evident that these are two entirely different wars. The historical narrations just provide further details.
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3:123 mentions Badr by name and then 124 goes into mention how the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was talking about how a thousand angels would be sent.
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And if I’m correct then 8:5 also is a reference to badr, so 9 would also be referring to an event that took place in preparation of the same battle mentioned in 3:123-125
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Unless we’re sure that both are referring to two different battles (Badr and Uhud), this response makes the most sense to me.
“These two verses do not contradict one another at all, nor is there any inconsistency whatsoever, once one quotes the Arabic text properly and understands what is being said.
The two verses, which occur in two different chapters in the Quran, both ask the Prophet (peace be upon him) to recount how Allah Most High promised to send His angels to strengthen the believers when they were sorely outnumbered by their oppressors at Badr. It is not a report of the actual numbers.
In the first verse, the Most Merciful says:
“Remember when you [O Muhammad, peace be upon him] were saying to the Believers, ‘Is it not enough for you that your Lord will reinforce you with 3000 angels sent down?’ / Of course [it is enough for you]! [In fact,] if you all are steadfast and God-fearing, and they rush in attack towards you, then your Lord will reinforce you with 5000 angels bearing distinguished markings.” [Quran 3:124-125]
In the next verse, the Lord says:
“Remember when you all cried out for help from your Lord, and so you were answered thus: “Indeed, I will reinforce you with a thousand angels, rank after rank.” [Quran 8:9]
Clearly, both verses are not reporting the final number of angels that were actually present- only, how many were successively offered to the believers as the crisis ensued. The more they were patient despite their fear, the more the Lord helped them with a heavenly host. So at the initial instance that they pleaded for help, the Lord promised them 1000 angels, as a first wave of support, which was followed up by rank upon rank of more angels, as many exegetical works on the Quran explain.
Then, the Prophet (peace be upon him) encouraged them to stay the course for more divine support, in the form of 3000 angels, and when they showed true faith despite the oppression, Allah would pour even more of His divine mercy onto the believers, with another wave, making it 5000 angels. In fact, an authentic narration spells this out clearly, when Rabee’ ibn Anas says: “Allah aided the Muslims on the day of Badr with 1000 [angels], then He increased them in help, so they were 3000, then He increased them in help, so they were 5000.” [as quoted in Fath al Bari, al-Asqalani]
For all we know, it could have been many more-no maximum number is mentioned, rather it was a series of successive promises, and the Most Generous Lord can increase His promises and rewards, without doubt. Thus, properly understood, there is no numerical conflict, even outwardly.” (copied from Quora)
What do you think? @AhmadShoaib
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I have read this and it seems to make sense. There is one assumption though that God had given revealed that he would give 3000 after he had already said 1000. Perhaps that can be implied with the question of isn’t 3000 enough?
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