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4:157 Did The Crucifixion Of Jesus عليه السلام Occur?
Does this verse entail that Jesus عليه السلام just wasn’t killed on the cross, or that he was never put up on it in the first place?
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4:157 Did The Crucifixion Of Jesus عليه السلام Occur?
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Surat No 4 : سورة النساء – Ayat No 157
وَّ قَوۡلِہِمۡ اِنَّا قَتَلۡنَا الۡمَسِیۡحَ عِیۡسَی ابۡنَ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُوۡلَ اللّٰہِ ۚ وَ مَا قَتَلُوۡہُ وَ مَا صَلَبُوۡہُ وَ لٰکِنۡ شُبِّہَ لَہُمۡ ؕ وَ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ اخۡتَلَفُوۡا فِیۡہِ لَفِیۡ شَکٍّ مِّنۡہُ ؕ مَا لَہُمۡ بِہٖ مِنۡ عِلۡمٍ اِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ ۚ وَ مَا قَتَلُوۡہُ یَقِیۡنًۢا ﴿۱۵۷﴾ۙ
اور 190 خود کہا کہ ہم نے مسیح ، عیسٰی ابن مریم ، رسول اللہ کو قتل کر دیا ہے ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ 191 حالانکہ 192 فی الواقع انہوں نے نہ اس کو قتل کیا نہ صلیب پر چڑھایا بلکہ معاملہ ان کے لیے مشتبہ کر دیا گیا ۔ 193 اور جن لوگوں نے اس کے بارے میں اختلاف کیا ہے وہ بھی دراصل شک میں مبتلا ہیں ، ان کے پاس اس معاملہ میں کوئی علم نہیں ہے ، محض گمان ہی کی پیروی ہے ۔ 194 انہوں نے مسیح کو یقین کے ساتھ قتل نہیں کیا ،From the translation it seems he was never put up on the cross.
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Yes but it depends on the Arabic
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Any further ideas?
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“neither did any incident of killing the Messiah nor of crucifying him took place but the followers among Christians of Saint Paul got hold of this cooked up story and authored a whole mythology on its basis and in this manner in order to please others harmed their own selves. (Amin Ahsan Islahi, Tadabbur-i Qur’an, vol. 2, 420)
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Some scholars say that the qatl was made mushtabih not the actual masih. What is the evidence for one over the other?
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Ghamidi sahib cites Gospel of Barnabas as evidence:
“the situation that was created made the Jews believe that they had actually crucified Jesus (sws). What then did actually happen? The most likely of scenarios is the one depicted in the Gospel of Barnabas. As per its account, when Judas Iscariot after being bribed by the chief priest of the Jews came over with some guards to arrest Jesus (sws), four angels at the behest of the Almighty took him away and transformed the voice and face of Judas into exactly those of Jesus (sws). It was he who was crucified. No one was able to even touch Jesus (sws). It is while pointing to this scenario that perhaps the Qur’an has dubbed it as being made muddled up for the Jews.
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So are we saying it doesn’t matter what was made unclear to them as the end result is the same? Because if we are bringing in other scriptures it implies that the Quran is unclear unless the purpose was different
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I am sorry but I do not understand what you are trying to figure out?
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In the verse you’ve cited, Quran clearly rebuts the claim of the Jews that they had killed Jesus (sws) and says that “Those who are disagreeing in this matter are inflicted with doubt about it; they have no knowledge about it; they are only following conjectures. They certainly did not slay him”.
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The Jews and Christians thought they had killed him. This was based on their senses. This belief proliferated through tawatur through their communities so I don’t get why the Quran terms it as conjecture
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The Quran calls it conjecture because there was disagreement over the matter as said in these very verses.
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Ghamidi sahab in zavia e Ghamidi argues staunchly that this event was proliferated as a part of established history which is why I’m asking
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Okay. So, let’s break it down this way:
That someone was crucified is part of established history. That it was Jesus is conflicted. When the Quran uses the word “conjectures”, it is commenting over the later (whether or not it was Jesus) that people were speculating according to their own “gumaan” /guesses. It is not saying that the event did not take place.
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Even the fact that isa عليه السلام was the one being crucified would’ve been established history. God doesn’t say their established history is wrong. He says that it was made to seem like that to them. This means even isa عليه السلام being the one crucified was part of established history which was revealed later
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The word وماصلبوہ comes before وماقتلوہ that shows that neither he was crucified nor he was killed.
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Hmm yes. I guess this would imply that he was not even put up on the cross عليه السلام. Because otherwise وما قتلوه would be enough.
جزاكم الله خيرا
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