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  • Quran 2:220 – Orphans As Brothers

    Posted by Fatimah on January 15, 2021 at 6:55 am

    Al-Baqarah – البَقَرة https://www.javedahmedghamidi.org/#!/quran?chapter=2¶graph=109&type=Ghamidi

    Ghamidi sahab gives his explainanation that in ayat 220 onwards that for welfare of orphans, (if doing nikkah with their mothers) then they’re your brothers. However, ayat clearly says if you include the orphans with you(as you being caretakers) then they’re your brothers.

    Both are two different explanations, can anyone clarify ghamidi point of view to me?

    Fatimah replied 4 years ago 4 Members · 16 Replies
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  • Quran 2:220 – Orphans As Brothers

    Fatimah updated 4 years ago 4 Members · 16 Replies
  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator January 15, 2021 at 11:37 am

    I’m not sure what you’re asking. It seem like you’re saying the same thing in two different ways.

  • Fatimah

    Member January 15, 2021 at 11:51 am

    If you could open the link read the translations done by Ghamidi sahab. And I listened to the al-bayan too.

    maybe I am not able to perceive it correctly so can anyone make it clear to me.

    Because according to shariat, if someone’s marry a mother, the child of the mother will be that person’s responsibility as a child as well. How can the child be a brother?

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator January 15, 2021 at 11:58 am

    Of course the child becomes a responsibility of the new parent, however, an adopted child or a step child is not his real biological child.

    That said, I’m still not completely sure what you’re asking.

  • Fatimah

    Member January 15, 2021 at 12:03 pm

    اور اگر تم (اُن کی ماؤں سے نکاح کر کے) اُنھیں اپنے ساتھ شامل کر لو تو وہ تمھارے بھائی ہیں

    If I don’t read the brackets part, I can understand the ayat. But I want to understand ghamidi sahab is trying to explain here?

    • Ahsan

      Moderator January 15, 2021 at 3:38 pm

      Ghamdi sb mentioned in bracket about marrying with mothers in the light of details presented in surah nissa. Also if you read further ayahs are talking about marriage. But you point is valid it self. I will try to rephrase your question to Faisal Sb

    • Fatimah

      Member January 15, 2021 at 7:48 pm

      JazakAllah

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator January 15, 2021 at 1:00 pm

    Hopefully this will help:

    https://youtu.be/BE-bv7gCXP4

  • Fatimah

    Member January 15, 2021 at 1:43 pm

    No I am not able to understand. As I said I did listen to al Bayan as well.

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator January 15, 2021 at 3:01 pm

    Please clarify. I’m not able to understand what your confusion is. I suggest re-reading your question above. Sometimes it helps to do so in order to communicate your question better.

    • Ahsan

      Moderator January 15, 2021 at 3:43 pm

      @faisalharoon
      The translation of Surah BAqara aya 220 in saheeh international is this
      “To this world and the Hereafter. And they ask you about orphans. Say, “Improvement for them is best. And if you mix your affairs with theirs – they are your brothers. And Allah knows the corrupter from the amender. And if Allah had willed, He could have put you in difficulty. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.”

      But Ghamidi sb add marrying mothers after “mix your affair with their”. If we interpret like that then how come orphans will be our brothers as the word use in arabic is “Ikhwan”. And we know that after marrying mother, men will be a step father not a brother. Unless Ikhwan here mean brother in faith.
      She is referring to this confusion

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator January 15, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    Thank you Ahsan sahab for the clarification. I recall Ghamidi sahab responding to this very question earlier, but I can’t find it. I will try to get a response from him directly Insha’allah.

  • Nadeem

    Member January 15, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    Here are the verses and translations. It may help.

    [2:220] upon this life and the Hereafter. And they ask you about the orphans: say, “Bringing them up as righteous persons is the best you can do for them. If you mix their property with yours, you shall treat them as family members.” GOD knows the righteous and the wicked. Had GOD willed, He could have imposed harsher rules upon you. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

    [4:2] You shall hand over to the orphans their rightful properties. Do not substitute the bad for the good, and do not consume their properties by combining them with yours. This would be a gross injustice.

    [4:3] If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers – you may marry two, three, or four. If you fear lest you become unfair, then you shall be content with only one, or with what you already have. Additionally, you are thus more likely to avoid financial hardship.

    [4:5] Do not give immature orphans the properties that GOD has entrusted with you as guardians. You shall provide for them therefrom, and clothe them, and treat them kindly.

    [4:6] You shall test the orphans when they reach puberty. As soon as you find them mature enough, give them their property. Do not consume it extravagantly in a hurry, before they grow up. The rich guardian shall not charge any wage, but the poor guardian may charge equitably. When you give them their properties, you shall have witnesses. GOD suffices as Reckoner.

  • Nadeem

    Member January 15, 2021 at 10:10 pm

    This is just my humble opinion as a student. In Ayah 2:220, not all translations, translate it as”brothers”. Secondly, brother does not mean genetic brother. It seems like brother means as a Muslim brother.

    Then in 4:3, Allah suggests that if you deem better for Orphans, you can marry their mothers. So I do not see a contradiction.

    • Ahsan

      Moderator January 16, 2021 at 2:31 am

      Thank you Nadeem Minhas sb for your reply. I think your comments are in right.

  • Ahsan

    Moderator January 18, 2021 at 8:45 am

    In recent Q&A Session with Ghamidi Sahab on Questions selected from ASK GHAMIDI Platform:

    For answer to your question, please refer to the video below from 1:24:43 to 1:27:06
    https://youtu.be/-WPrZ1u7O_4?t=5083

  • Fatimah

    Member January 18, 2021 at 9:08 am

    Thank you Nadeem sahb and Ahsan sahb. Ghamidi sahb translations is quite clear to me now. I feel surah Nisa must have been quoted in the tafseer for beginner students like me to understand this completely. Ghamidi sahb has done it well anyway.

    JazakAllah team ask ghamidi.

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