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Fawahish Mentioned In Quran 7:33
Allah has forbidden indecent acts wether hidden or apparent.Through last days of mine on this app I have become very confused on what fawahish is.Is watching porn and doing masturbation not hidden indecent acts?
My Question is what comes under apparent indecents acts and hidden indecents acts?
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Fawahish Mentioned In Quran 7:33
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I have attached tafseer from Ghamdi sb’s Al bayan.. hopefully this may help.
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What is Watti and Bahaim?And what do wo mean with “jinsi mamoolat ka afshaa karna”?
Thanks 🙂
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“jinsi mamoolat ka afshaa karna”
Public display of physical relationship. Pornography or such videos illustrating sexual relationship, intimacy or display would come under this.
This is merely my understanding.
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@UmerQureshi Bhai meaning of watti and bahaim?Thanks
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Thank you @Shoaib1999 bro 😊
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Someone kindly explain what is meant by “watti bahaim”? I think it means masturbation but I’m not sure. Also I’ve read an article of ghamdi sab in his book maqamat where he has explained that masturbation isn’t haram.
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Yes Sheroz bhai,Ghamidi sb point of view is that masturbation isn’t haraam.Modern scholars are torn up betwwen Halal and Haraam.I think one should try their best to not do it according to the idea of why take any risk😅I really get scared when I read one authentic Hadith,it says that there will be people in Day of Judgment having bigs heaps/ mountains of good deeds and all of their good deeds will be wiped away as they sinned in night/closed doors in order to be safe from people.Allah will say that did you had no fear of me?and had fear of people?I really get afraid from this.
Let’s leave the discussion of is Masturbation is Halaal or not,the process of one locking doors or doing it in private in order to be safe from people in core of the concept is falling into that Hadith,I will say to avoid Masturbating,BUT
IF ONE DOES IT JUST REPENT AND DONT FEEL SO BAD,IN SHAA ALLAH,ALLAH WILL FORGIVE AS YOU HAD DONE IT BECAUSE PF THE UNCONTROLLABLE URGE.
Just my POV.
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And yes someone please explain watti and bahaim😅😅
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But brother umair ahmad, here, in the above posted excerpt from ghamdi sab’s exegesis, watti bahaim is mentioned in “fawahish” and is termed as a jurm, so I’m confused as to whether which opinion is correct (I think I’m wrongly presuming that watti bahaim means masturbation.)
Regarding masturbation, not only Ghamidi sab but many other classical scholars hold the same viewpoint that it’s not haram but the thing that concerns me is that masturbation is not done in isolation rather one is involved in voyeurism at the same time. Our Prophet SAW has said that the eyes commit Zina too so wouldn’t it be haram to watch such content. There’s a separate thread in which there is a debate that pornography and other sexually explicit content should be avoided on the pretext of sadde zaria and is not explicitly haram.
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Bro,I don’t believe that watti and bahaim means masturbation.Have to ask some Urdu expert😅😅.But just think in this way that Quran and Prophet SAW gave us the message to have a modest gaze and that should not be the case in our daily dealings in society but also in the digital era and on screen.Allah loves those who are modest.So we should not test the sadd e zariya and be indulged in any of this.It is a black hole which just sucks you in without you realising,necessary precautions are a must!
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Yes indeed!
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You do know that many scholars consider watching women straight away haraam wether with good intentions or bad one and some consider it haraam only with bad intentions.No scholar has ever promoted watching women with bad intentions and that should be the case.I believe that comes under Surah Araaf verse 33 in “izzat ke khilaaf iqdam” just think will our sisters and mothers like that someone is looking them with lust?No!
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Yes brother but we were discussing this in regards to pornography, where the women, actually want themselves to be looked at, so I think this won’t be applicable to this situation. It should be avoided on the basis of previously discussed arguments.
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For understanding of word “Fawahish”, please refer to the link below from 23:44 to 27:14
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Brother watti bahaim means sexual intercourse between a person and an animal.
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Please also watch the following video from 35:10 to 37:13
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So here ghamdi sab has explicitly said that even anything that lures or entices towards adultery or fornication is considered to be fahisha.
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That is true, but I am not sure if I understand the purpose of your comment.
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This comment was in regards to the discussion of pornography as to whether it comes under the ambit of fahisha or not. Ghamidi sab has mentioned the principle that anything that lures or entices towards adultery or fornication is considered to be fahisha so I think it applies to pornography and other such stuff as well.
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Quran verse 7:33 is in the context of ikhlaqiyat – our moral behavior in reference to “others”. This includes things like public display of nudity, zina between unmarried individuals, involvement with animals for sexual gratification, etc. Acts like watching pornography, while still bad deeds, do not come under fawahish unless it’s done publicly or with other individuals.
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But Faisal bhai as you said”—our moral behaviour in reference to others”Won’t it include pornography as well?as it is directly involving “others” through means of screens and displays.
What difference is there watching a woman naked by yourself and watching one on a screen?
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I have a couple of queries. Firstly, is this your personal understanding or are you replying on ghamdi sab’s behalf? because I didn’t deduce the same results from the above video and my understanding of ghamdi sab’s comment on fawahish is in contrast to yours.
Secondly would watching pornography be considered a sin? since it doesn’t come under fawahish and thus, is not haram.
I’m not sure about the authenticity of the hadith but I’ve heard that the Prophet SAW said that eyes commit Zina too and ghamdi sab, in his video on shaking hands with women, said that it is haram to see women with lustful intentions.
Moreover, what is the ruling regarding not abiding by the sadey zaria (gaz e basar in particular) , established by religion? Would it be gunah or not as long as one doesn’t commit the actual sin?
Finally, doesn’t the whole objective of religion, that is, “tazkiya” gets defeated if voyeurism isn’t a sin?
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Good points,please moderators can you clarify?
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I have only explained what Ghamidi sahab has said. Please watch the entire video to understand the topic in depth.
I did not say that voyeurism is okay – all I have stated is that it doesn’t come under the principles of akhlaqiyat in Quran verse 7:33.
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Faisal bhai the thing that I can’t fathom is how it is not Haraam,if it is not mentioned in 7:33 then it may mean that it is not Haraam.
And please tell how watching naked lady in real life is bad but not in digital world?Don’t they hold same implications
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Yes I have deduced that voyeurism is not ok but why not it is Haraam,that’s my question and what are one’s obligations in the real world regarding it.Please explain
Moreover, what is the ruling regarding not abiding by the sadey zaria (gaz e basar in particular) , established by religion? Would it be gunah or not as long as one doesn’t commit the actual sin?
Thank you so much
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As I have explained above, Quran verse 7:33 deals with ikhlaqiyat in the context of others. Please watch the video from the beginning to understand this point.
There are other prohibitions outside of Quran verse 7:33. Watching porn would come under the prohibition mentioned in Quran verse 17:32 about not even going close to adultery. You can read Ghamidi sahab’s explanation of this verse in Al-Bayan. Also listen to Hassan sahab’s audio in the following discussion if you have not done so already.
Sadd-e-zariya or precautionary measures does not mean that the consequences for violating a prohibition might be any less severe. Sadd-e-zariya only pertains to the reasoning behind a prohibition, not it’s severity. Even God makes certain prohibitions on the principle of sadd-e-zariya. However, when we as humans infer a prohibition on the principle of sadd-e-zariya, we can’t categorize it as haram – for that right only belongs to God. We simply communicate the reasoning for that prohibition in our understanding to be as a preventative measure against something haram as clearly ordained by God.
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Hello. In the last part of the video, Ghamdi sab elucidates the significance of Sad e zaria and the severity of its violation. This might help to understand things better.
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