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  • Retribution For Mocking

    Posted by A Hasan on March 5, 2021 at 7:42 pm

    When someone mocks us do we have the right to mock them back in the ‘eye for an eye style?’ Or does this not come under that law. Of course being kind and forgiving is better

    A Hasan replied 3 years, 8 months ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Retribution For Mocking

    A Hasan updated 3 years, 8 months ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
  • Ahsan

    Moderator March 5, 2021 at 11:32 pm

    If you know being kind and forgiving is better so choose the better way.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor March 5, 2021 at 11:34 pm

      Yes but I want to know if it’s a sin to mock back

  • Ahsan

    Moderator March 5, 2021 at 11:40 pm

    Its a tricky question coz Allah has given permission to take revenge as eye for eye etc on the other hand Quran has explicitly advised muslims to avoid calling others bad name and ridicule them in 49:11.
    Its better to ignore and forgive them

    • A Hasan

      Contributor March 5, 2021 at 11:42 pm

      I understand that. But would the usul of equal revenge come under place? We are told not to kill but can kill if someone kills our relative.

      It is because some person x mocks person y and I’m not sure if person y taking revenge is morally correct or whether it would be. Personally I wouldn’t respond but if someone does and I am in a place to stop them I want to know if religion supports me in saying what they are doing is wrong

  • Ahsan

    Moderator March 5, 2021 at 11:47 pm

    I think @faisalharoon sb can respond better to this point

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator March 6, 2021 at 12:13 am

    Things of this nature vary from situation to situation and person to person so should not be generalized.

    Eye for an eye is not a way to get even with others but a way to render justice. Even in those situations forgiveness has been deemed better.

    In whatever way we choose to react, we should always do it with the sense of accountability. Since precise justice is not humanly possible, my personal advice would be to error on the side of caution whenever possible. I would much rather find accumulated extra credit on the day of judgement than the opposite scenario.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor March 6, 2021 at 12:16 am

      Let’s paint a scenario so we don’t generalise then.

      Person x says to person y ‘you’re so fat and ugly’

      A few days later person y saw person x get a bad test score and said ‘wow you’re so stupid’

      Now person y would never have said this if not for the distasteful behaviour of person x beforehand. Can he be regarded as doing a bad deed or would there be lenience in his case?

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator March 6, 2021 at 12:23 am

      You know it very well that I refrain from commenting on hypothetical scenarios. I have stated my advice in principle. What decisions person X and person Y make are immaterial to me.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor March 6, 2021 at 12:25 am

      Yes but that advice is not wholly practical. I understand that forgiving is better in most scenarios and I would do the same. But the option for eg eye for eye is given nonetheless in the case of physical injury for those who want to pursue it. Since the topic of religion is morals then situations like this should be discussed. This is also most likely not hypothetical and occurs in schools often.

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator March 6, 2021 at 12:41 am

      We’re already discussing it. However, the discussion should stick to principles. We need not make final decisions for people – our job is only to teach people how to think about this kind of situations in the light of the Quran and the sunnah. How one acts and how he will be judged by God given his particular situation is beyond our scope.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor March 6, 2021 at 12:42 am

      Great. So what is the principle? So far the only principle that is certain is that forgiveness is better. The principle of attaining justice in the form of exacting revenge in the case of verbal mocking or verbal abuse has not been ascertained

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