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Hadith Sunan Abu Dawud 2049
Posted by Ali Shafi on June 29, 2021 at 7:11 amWith reference of hadith sunan abu dawud 2049, there are many explanation is exist but i want to know in given below Hadith , are man was talking about adultery of his wife or something else??
English translation is given below.
“A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ), and said: My wife does not prevent the hand of a man who touches her. He said: Divorce her. He then said: I am afraid my inner self may covet her. He said: Then enjoy her.”
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Hadith Sunan Abu Dawud 2049
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Ali Shafi
Member June 30, 2021 at 2:57 amKindly guide me about above hadith.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 1, 2021 at 2:01 amI think this Hadith is controversial for some Islamic scholars therefore no one answering. I have tried at many sites of Islamic scholars.
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Umer
Moderator July 1, 2021 at 3:11 amQuran is very clear about relationships with whom intimacy is allowed:
بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيْمِ
قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُوْنَ. الَّذِيْنَ هُمْ فِیْ صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُوْنَ. وَالَّذِيْنَ هُمْ عَنِ اللَّغْوِ مُعْرِضُوْنَ. وَالَّذِيْنَ هُمْ لِلزَّكَاةِ فَاعِلُوْنَ. وَالَّذِيْنَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُوْنَ. إِلَّا عَلَى أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِيْنَ. فَمَنِ ابْتَغَى وَرَآءَ ذَلِكَ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُوْنَ. وَالَّذِيْنَ هُمْ لِأَمَانَاتِهِمْ وَعَهْدِهِمْ رَاعُوْنَ. وَالَّذِيْنَ هُمْ عَلَى صَلَوَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُوْنَ. أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْوَارِثُوْنَ. الَّذِيْنَ يَرِثُوْنَ الْفِرْدَوْسَ هُمْ فِيْهَا خَالِدُوْنَ.
“In the name of God, the Most-Gracious, the Ever Merciful.
Those believers succeeded who show humility in their prayer, who desist from frivolity and who pay zakah and who guard their private parts – except for their wives and slave-maidens because in their case there is no blame on them. Indeed, those who desire others besides them, it is they who exceed the limits. – And those who give due regard to their trusts and to their promises, and those who guard their prayers. It is these people who will be the masters of Firdaws, who are the masters of Firdaws. They will abide in it forever”. (23:1-11)
(Quranic Exegesis: Javed Ahmed Ghamidi)
(Translated by Dr. Shehzad Saleem)
While understanding any hadith, following points must be kept in mind:
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All Ahadith will be understood and interpretated in the light of principles established by Quran and Sunnah. No Hadith can either add or negate what has already been prescribed through Quran and Sunnah. There is no such thing as a controversial hadith if one understands the nature of hadith corpus, mode of its transmission and principles on how to understand a hadith in the light of Quran and Sunnah.
This particular Hadith, as it appears, refers to loose character of the person’s wife and Prophet (Sws) advised him to divorce her if he has any such concerns, but it is ultimately a person’s own right whether or not and when to use the right of divorce.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 1, 2021 at 3:32 amYes right but in some translation, scholars were explaining that she is not guilty or did act of adultery therefore Prophet Mohammed SAW allow the man for keep her and didn’t say to him for stop her adultry act.
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Umer
Moderator July 1, 2021 at 3:41 amIt is one man’s word against his wife. To initiate a legal proceeding of Zina when that husband was accusing his wife of promiscuity, then that person shoud’ve presented four witnesses and only then proper legal proceeding could’ve been started. Otherwise, that husband if he thought his wife was involved in extramarital affair, had a right to divorce her. And that was the only advice that could’ve been given to him at that time. A prophet or any judge for that matter cannot enforce adultery punishment on someone on mere surmise.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 1, 2021 at 5:36 amYes. Totally understand but i read the question at somewhere about this haditj that if wife is involve in adultery and her husband is ok therefore our Prophet PBHM allow him to live with her but why Prophet PBUH say to his for stop his wife for adultry or didn’t say for punish her which are islamic procedure for wife.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 3, 2021 at 11:23 amCan you also guide me about hadith, I heard that If Prophet PBHM didn’t stop for any act then this is allowed means not be sin therefore i am confused after read different tafseer of this Hadith.
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Ahsan
Moderator July 3, 2021 at 1:22 pmHadith has to be understood under the light of Quran. Hadith cannot add anything to religion
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Ali Shafi
Member July 4, 2021 at 12:14 amBut many rules exist in Hadith which are not defined Quran Sharif for example Matah and procedure of Namaz.
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Ahsan
Moderator July 4, 2021 at 4:40 amProcedures are defined by Sunnah not hadith
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Ahsan
Moderator July 4, 2021 at 4:40 amRefer to this thread for understanding of Sunnah
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Faraz Siddiqui
Member July 4, 2021 at 5:33 amBrother u r assuming few things here
1. This incident happened at the end of Muhammad SAW life when almost all the Quran is revealed
2. This is the only time man has Muhammad SAW this question
3. Man has not already tried other prescribed methods and procedures relevant to such behavior
4. It was possible for the man to bring forward witnesses against his wife but he didn’t
Muhammad SAW didn’t ask him for any clarification and/or confirmation that suggest that the man had already discussed with him. These matter aren’t discussed in front of everyone anyway. Muhammad SAW highlighted the only 2 option any spouse(husband or wife) would have, either keep living or divorce the spouse. This matter r personal and cannot be taken as a general rule. Rules for society r laid down in Quran/sunnah very clearly. Society has no right to interfere inside homes. Person is completely free to live however he/she wants as long as other people’s right r not violated.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 4, 2021 at 11:00 amYes i think for personal Islam’ rules should apply inside house, right??
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Ali Shafi
Member July 4, 2021 at 11:04 amMeans uf husband is ok for his wife adultry then socity has no rights to interfare or restrict them.
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Faraz Siddiqui
Member July 4, 2021 at 7:27 pmIt is the right of the spouse to accept adultery or to divorce
Isnt is an unfortunate reality that many wives stay with their husbands knowing their unfaithful behavior? Aren’t husbands ignore similar attitudes of their wives?
Social laws come into practice if the spouse reports to court or there’s danger of spreading of corruption. For e.g. a husband not only have adulterous relationship but also runs a porn shop. Then society should intervene.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 4, 2021 at 11:20 pmYou are telling this in light of Islam?? Husband has right that he has agree for wife adultery?
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Ali Shafi
Member July 5, 2021 at 3:11 amThis will be sin for wife?
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Faraz Siddiqui
Member July 5, 2021 at 4:23 amI think u really want the husband to stop his wife at all cost!
What was Allah’s ruling for wives who chose to remain kafir? Beat them into Islam or divorce them? Ruling was to divorce them. Shirk is the Mose severe sin, even then Allah preserved free will of women and instructed men to divorce.
Husband can accept or divorce or press charges in court. There’s no 4th option.
Please do share what should’ve been done in ur opinion
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Ali Shafi
Member July 5, 2021 at 5:51 amI am agree with your opinion but i think moderator or Ghamdi sb have different opinion related to this rule.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 5, 2021 at 5:34 amYou are thinking wrong about my opinion. Now a days i am studying hadith myself then i found many conflictin two hadith. Many scholars are translated and describe detail in very different directions. First one hadith is in thread and second one is Sunan ibn Majah 1851
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Ali Shafi
Member July 5, 2021 at 5:36 amI am asking in light of Islam not society related. On above hadithif husband is ok for wife freindship or adultery then it is allowed or not in Islam.
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Ali Shafi
Member July 5, 2021 at 5:40 amI understand Islam is allow to husband for live with his wife as per above hadith but this adultery act may be sin for wife only. I have this confusion. I know there is three option for husband. But i am asking about wife. If our Prophet PBHM allow to his man for live with his wife then it will be not sin for husband and wife also if his wife still doing adultry right???
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Ali Shafi
Member July 5, 2021 at 5:45 amIn Last sermon of Prophet SAW Hadith Sunan ibn Majah 1851. Women are restrict for sleep or using bed if husband allow to her or any specific person.
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Umer
Moderator July 5, 2021 at 6:26 amAli sahab (@alishafi1 ) since your arguments and questioning are getting too repetitive, therefore, I see no reason to prolong this conversation by letting the thread stay open. Whatever points that you are raising have already been addressed by Faisal Sahab in the previous thread and myself and Ahsan Sahab in this one as well. If you have a different question or if you want to add a different perspective to the same topic, feel free to create a new topic.
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