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Why Iblees Was Tested Only Once?
Khuda ny insan k liay 2 imtehan q rkhy?
Imtehan1: Ak imtehan(پرچہ امتحان) yeh jan,na hai k ,aya koi ‘prcha imtehan’ hai b sahi ya nh? (Eman ka imtehan)
Imtehan2: Dosra imtehan yeh k ,jo qualities,body,soul,ego,desires vghera khuda ny hmain di hain,on sb ko osky ehkamat k mutabiq mold krny or apny akhri faislo main b oski ehkamat ki pervi kr k ‘achy ilm’ or ‘achy aml’ ka imtehan dena hai,
Toh sval yeh paida hota hai k ”Iblees toh bdnseeb hokr b bht khush naseeb sabit hua, qk os sy sirf ak hi imtehan lia gya (jis main voh nakam hua, Imtehan2) ,
Jo kahania hmain sunai jati hain mzhb ko ly kr(main lfz kahani The Sapiens k writer k ps-mnzr main keh rha hn,jis main oska narrative hi yahi hai k purany insano jaisy Hazrat Ibrahim,Hazrat Mossa,Hazrst Maseeh, Hazrst Muhammad S.A.W ny mashry ko control or flexible krny k liay(is planet pr beshk jo k aj k insano ki trqi ka bht bra bais b hai) jo narrative hmain paish kia, os sy ‘Iblees’ toh hmain ak imtehan hi deta hua nzr ata hai,
Osko km sy km is imtehan pr force nh kia gya ,k voh imtehanNumber1 b dy,or jany k kainat ka agr koi khuda hai b toh voh itna mzhbi hai b k nh?
(Or Agr voh insano main itna interested hai b,toh dunya main 7 million sy zaid(gailbn) mkhloqat kis liay?)
Toh hum sy yeh 2 imtehan lena ,na insafi nh hai os mzhbi khuda ki trf sy jiska tasavur hmain mzhb paish krta hai?
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Why Iblees Was Tested Only Once?
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We don’t know with any level of certitude how God might have tested Iblees previously. Since we know that God doesn’t do anything against justice, instead of wasting our time with baseless speculations we should productively use our time in understanding God’s message and adhering to it so that we may get selected for God’s paradise.
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Did you feel it a ridiculous question?
How can this be a logical answer to my query?
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It didn’t say anything about the question being ridiculous. The point is that we have been asked by God and His Messenger SAW to not speculate. Since we don’t know anything about Iblees being tested previously, whatever we say would be purely speculative in nature. Instead, we should defer this kind of questions for the Day of Judgement, and in the meanwhile use our time productively to focus on what we do know with certainty.
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G main b sval main likhny vala tha , Ghamidi sahb k nuqta nzr ko paish e nzr rkhty huay k ‘kuch chizo main hmain ‘why’ ki bjayay, ‘How’ pr apni aajzi ka aitraf kr lena chahiyay…”
Lkn mery khyl sy, yeh koi os trz ka sval nh, hmain yeh bat bilkul wazih milti hai, k os sy oski diay gayay ikhtiar, or ana (ya imtehan2) hi lia gya,
Bhala agr main apko ak scha waqya bayan krta hua kahu k ”ak shkhs yeh smjhta tha k oska Lahore jana hi theek hai, lakin beech main kisi anjan wjh sy oski ana aarrhy aa gai toh osny Islambad ki trf rvangi ikhtiar krli”
Toh is main yeh bat b bilkul sch or wazih hi hogi ”os shakhs ko pta tha, ya osny lahore hi jana tha”
Yeh bat b pory narrative ko support krny k liay sch honi chahiyay naw?
tbhi bat aagy brhy ghi naw? Or waqia(ya hqeeqt) ki tkmeel hogi?
Toh yeh jo bat , k “iblees khuda ko b janta tha(means imtehan number1 pas kra kraya),lakin apni ana k aagy dtt gya”
If you want to claim it then this is the other thing,but it’s very obvious thing similar to previous example I’ve given , ”k iblees khuda ko janta tha”
(Or phir jaisy hmary hn Mzhbi Scholars b bri logical or frequent misal dety hain,k ak khooni qtl krny sy pehly apni ana ki arrh main kuch nh smjh pata ,toh osny b apny inteqam ko nzr andaz kr dia…..vghera vghera)
This is very obvious thing.
Or vesy ,kal mujh sy aa kr kisi ghair muslim ny yahi sval 2 ,4 or mzboot examples k sath dy kr mery muslman hony ki wjh poch li,
So how would I say to him k Rasool Allah advised not to speculate? (Do you think he would not laugh on my Imtehan1(the Eman?)!)
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Main chahta hn k ap mery pehly svl pr nzr e saani krain,
Main hmesha ki trha Ghamidi Sahb or ap sb team sy,ap hi ki wjh sy, Alhamdulillah logical arguments ki umeed rkhta hn.
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My friend, I had initially read your first post, and I read it again. You have made an assumption that Iblees was tested in one area while human beings are being tested in two. I don’t have any information regarding what Iblees might have been tested with before the creation of Adam AS. All we know about Iblees is from the time of Adam’s creation. If you have any information regarding Iblees not being tested before that, please don’t hesitate to share.
There’s nothing logical or illogical about an argument that has no data.
I’m afraid that your confusion might be something else – perhaps doubts about God, the story of Adam, the concept of Iblees, etc. If that’s the case then please properly and objectively frame your question and post it as a new thread. There’s no point in discussions that are based on pure speculations.
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So you are saying we don’t know how much and what kind of tests were passed by Iblees before Adam(creation of man), or even don’t know if God had tested him or not. So on the behalf of ”we don’t know properly the things” we cannot get to the point to make an argumental assumption.
Got It, Right.
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Yes you got it right,
The problem is the Noval Yoah ,the sapiens writer, argumental narrative. Which seems pretty genuine and Strong.
(Or minimumly raise even the very basic questions, like the one I had about Iblees, or like if we all had the same father and mother, Adam and Hawa,toh q jb ap Adam ki ulad chines ki zuban ko osi ki Urdu bolny vali ulad sy milany pr zmeen asman ka frq hai?
This doesn’t seem like the fruits emerging from the same tree’s (km sy km ‘language’ k mamly main,
Hn lehjy ya zuban main thora bht bigar alg bat ha)
Vghera vghera vghera,
(In my previous discussion,I wrote down all my confusion,but due to,i think, a very long script of question, no one on the platform even had read or replied,
If you wish to help,I can refer you the link as well.)
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Jaisy k mzhbi khuda Men-Biased b mehsos hota hai thora sa,(beshk voh behtreen insaf krny vala hai)
Mgr Jaisy oski ayto main smjhany or tlqeen krny k bad, aurat ko zdo-kob krny ki tlqeen b krdi hai,(hn alg bat hai sath main yeh b keh dia hai k chu k main b sb janta hn;(toh conscious rehna))
Lakin many ‘ijazt’ ki bjayay ‘tlqeen’ ka lfz is liay istemal kia qk aisa hi mehsos hota hai,k ijazt nh, khulam khula ijazt di ja rhi ho,(or agr khuda k nzdeeq ya mzhb k qreeb ,jaisa k mzhbi scholar b hmain taleem dety huay bayan krty hain k akhri drjy or akhri hal k tor pr mehz khuda ki trf sy ‘ijazt’ di gai, toh ‘ijazt’ main zyada nh ,sirf ak lfz ,👉 ‘agr’ ya phir ‘akhri-drjy’ type koi lfz👈 hi shamil hojata ,toh voh ‘ijazt’ jo akhri hal k tor pr di gai, tlqeen si naw mehsos hoti, ya km sy km aisi nh k voh mzhbi khuda jaisy jzbat main baitha ho or mehz ak ‘agr’ ka lfz lga kr apni bat krna bhool gya yeh janty huay b k oski is bat sy ak pori ki pori aadhi qoum ko kis trha ki tkleef ho skti hai…,
Main yeh b nh keh rha k khuda ny kaha hi q, hala k agr aj ort k nam ki b ak ayt utr jati (jo khuda ny ,mzhbi scholars k mutabiq is wjh sy nh utari k ort jb hath uthayay ghi toh or zyada pity ghi) utr jati, toh mery khyl sy ort ko mashry main physically weak smjhna chor dia jata, or voh b phir mrd ko dikhati k voh b os sy muqabla kr skti hai.)
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Here’s your thread about Harari:
Dr. Irfan Shahzad, Umer Qureshi sahab, as well as I have already responded to your question in that thread. Once again, Harari’s work it’s all baseless speculation.
Perhaps, you should start out by asking epistemological questions like how truth is determined, what evidence we have to believe in God, etc. There are several threads on Ask Ghamidi in this regard that you can search for, or ask moderators to help you. I can assure you that our belief stands on extremely strong foundations as opposed to materialistic ideas.
Also once again, I wholeheartedly suggest that before wasting time with speculative ideas, one should sincerely spend some time to read and understand God’s book from cover to cover. It will really help in being able to weed out falsehood that appears to be the biggest truth but is baseless nevertheless.
I agree that precise, concise, coherent, and objective questions get the best answers on Ask Ghamidi. That’s by design and it best serves the purpose of this platform.
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G bht bht shukria 🖤
Sahi keh rhy hain ap,
Or shyd ap mujhy thora sa aggressive b mehsos kr rhy hn,
Shyd aisa hi hai,
Dikhain main hr dosri bat pr dalil dalil krny valo ki oqat b janta or smjhta hn(or tareekh b aisy dalil yafta beshumar kafiro sy bhri hui hai, k voh dalail k bad b na man payay)
Lakin shyd yahi rsta hi hai,jisky opr khra hokr hi insan behtreen or acjy sy smjh skta hai,or bil akhir osy tehtushaoor ka hissa bna skta hai
Bs (Biased vali) last bat rehti hai 😶
Osky ilava jo questions mery zehn main thy,on main sy kuch many khud ko logically answer kr diay aj tk ki date valy.
Bht bht shukria .
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I’m not sure if I understand your question about bias. I have a very hard time understanding roman script so perhaps something was left out. If you can post on the appropriate thread in either proper English or Urdu I will be happy to read it and respond accordingly.
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