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Children Of Israel Getting Punishment For What They Didn't Know
Assalamualaikum
We know that someone is directly punished by God only if he denies the truth knowingly and after the procees of coming of Prophets to warn him etc. And we know that children of Israel are getting punishment on a collective level (on a nation level)as per Quran.
Firstly: how are they getting punishment as they are one of the most developed nations.
Secondly: they can get rid of punishment only if they accept Jesus and Prophet SAW as prophets of God. But if they are asked today so (like the rest of the world mostly), they don’t know who even are Jesus and Prophet (PBUT). So why are they getting punishment for the denial (which seems to be that most of the nation don’t know) ?
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Children Of Israel Getting Punishment For What They Didn't Know
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Firstly: The Children of Israel who do not believe in Isa (AS) will be placed below those who do. If you are refering to the country of Israel. That country is only developed with the help of America, where the dominant faith is Christian. So the believers of Isa (AS) helped them become a developed nation. Before that, they have a history of defeats.
Secondly: Nation-wide punishments are common according to Bible and Qur’an (and Ghamidi Sahab even argues that Muslims as a nation are also in similar punishment of shame for neglecting their religion even though they are honest Muslims among us). So even the honest person gets caught in it since the days of Musa (AS) and it becomes a test for them while a punishment for others. As for the ones that realize the truth that they are under punishment of Allah then they are told that the only way to free yourself (now that you have learned the truth) is to believe in the Last Prophet (PBUH). Because nations that Allah has chosen, are dealt with under a special rule as mentioned in the video.
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Firstly the punishment given after Itmam e Hujjah, it doesn’t seem fair that Ahl e Kitab and polytheist, both did the same crime of denying the truth but the punishment is different. And both are rejecting the truth out of their biases. But (apparent) monotheists (Ahl e Kitab) didn’t get killed while polytheists did get killed. So it seems that God wants Himself to be praised and just leaving them who in principle accepts His Oneness?
Secondly, you gave the example that even pious individuals get punished in a collective punishment as of Muslims today. We know that God is All Good and Just, how is this just that even good people are getting punished?
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First of all I shared (a video for you below in this post) to understand that Allah doesn’t want praise. Allah wants man to know the reality of his existence. Those who reject the reality are the ones that eventually become kafir. While the crime are similar, the polytheist’s sin is greater than the Ahl-e-Kitab (for this you must learn why Shirk is a serious sin). So justice demand that there must be distinction between them. Even if both are intentionally rejecting the truth, one group’s sins are greater than the other. They are different so different punishments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELnrc_QniwSecondly, I did not say that pious individuals get punished. I said when a nation gets punishment collectively based on Allah’s special rule in video in previous comment(which is seperate from Itmam-e-Hujjat with Rasuul where there is a seperation of pious and rebellious), then everyone gets caught in it. So when a nation is collectively punished, the rebellious will taste the punishment while the honest man is being tested, he is not being punished nor should he feel like it but he would be aware of why it’s happening and try to advise the rebellious to reform or else our nation will be humiliated like this. But when both pious and rebellious learn the truth of their situation then they must together accept the truth they have been rejecting. In this rule, Allah may do justice to a nation collective behavior but the overall rule (which is seperate from what I mentioned right now) is that this life is not based on justice. So a pious man can suffer during an incident that was meant for others. He will be compensated accordingly (the exception is Itmam-E-Hujjat with Rasuul, the exception does not necessarily exist for nation-wide punishment rule, for that the blessings and punishments are given on a national scale).
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The children of Bani Israel did not get any punishment. They were given death and taken away, which is the right of God on every human being.
The punishment given to Ahle Kitab was lesser because they had denied the truth on the basis of incorrect interpretation while still upholding a significant part of the truth (Tawhid). Others were given capital punishment because they had denied without any rational reason and had even denied Tawhid.
Believers (pious individuals as per your terminology) do not get punished as a result of Itmam-e-Hujjah.
Please see the following video at 00:32:00:
We have a complete FAQ on itmam-e-hujjah that you may also find useful:
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No, today as Muslims are in a punishment because of leaving behind their religion, like in that pious people also get punished?
Secondly, but the crime of Ahl e Kitab and polytheists was the same. Like if two people steal something without any reason then both would the same punishment ignoring the fact that maybe one of them has got a lot of money from inheritance and other didn’t?
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Sorry sorry, i did get answer for the first question that the world is for test and some nationwide punishment from a perspective of nation is punishment but on an individual level for some pious it can be a test for which he may get a good reward.
But the second one still remains?
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If two person commits murder but one kills only one person and other kills two.
Do you think the punishment must be the same for them? Do you think the magnitude of both actions are same?
Because justice demands that they can’t be the same. Ahl-e-Kitab (during that time) were only committing kufr but polytheists were committing kufr AND shirk.
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But in the example if he gets killed in qisas then he has only one life to lose in punishment of two murders (because he has only one life) but on the other hand if he gives some money to the families of killed one then he has to pay double. And if two persons do the same crime then both will get the same punishment (ignoring that one is rich and other has not a lot of money)?
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That’s based on the limitation of our punishment system in this life. If it was possible to take someone’s life multiple time, we would have implemented the punishment accordingly. But as you said, single life – single payment, two lives – double payment. Already there is a distinction between both criminals.
Do you think Allah will treat a single murder in the same way as a mass murder in the Hereafter? The justice suggests No.
So He also made a distinction between Ahl-e-Kitab and Mushirik. Because they did not commit the same level of crime.
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This is the discussion, how is the crime not the same. The Prophet SAW of God himself is present among both of them, they both don’t have any reason to deny the truth. They both are denying the truth out of their biases only (the only thing is Ahl e Kitab in inheritance got monotheism)? So how is the crime not the same?
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Because Shirk is the worst kind of kufr.
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