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  • Can We Intellectually Prove God'S Existence? | کیا خدا کا وجود عقل سے ثابت ہوسکت

    Posted by Ahsan on August 5, 2023 at 11:22 pm

    Part 1-

    00:00:10 — Reason demands God “must exist,” but His existence relies on Prophetic testimony (Quran 7:172-173, Bukhari 1358).
    00:01:04 — Accountability for Shirk without Prophets? Fitrah suffices (Quran 17:15, 28:59).
    00:02:20 — Empirical truths vs. subjective Fitrah: Prophets awaken innate knowledge (Quran 30:30, Mizan).
    00:05:16 — Prophets make Fitrah conscious for Hereafter accountability (Quran 35:24, Muslim 2658).
    00:08:31 — “Must exist” ≠ factual reality (logical necessity vs. observation, e.g., Quran 3:59).
    00:14:27 — Divine justice: Questioning based on exposure (Quran 6:164).
    00:21:12 — Dual accountability: Fitrah for isolated people, Prophets for conclusive proof (Quran 4:165).
    00:23:13 — Proportional justice: Tailored questions (Quran 2:286, Tirmidhi 2167).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncS8yVfvBSg

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  • Can We Intellectually Prove God'S Existence? | کیا خدا کا وجود عقل سے ثابت ہوسکت

  • Ahsan

    Moderator August 5, 2023 at 11:23 pm

    Part 2:

    00:00:09 – Introduction to discussing God’s existence through human reason (Quranic premise: Creator-creation relationship)

    00:00:37 – Reason can only conclude God “must exist”; prophetic testimony proves “He exists” (Logical distinction between necessity and fact)

    00:01:02 – Criticism addressed: Logical terminology doesn’t distinguish “must be” vs “is” in deductive arguments

    00:01:33 – Example of Jesus’ birth analyzed: Miracles transcend logic (Quran 3:59 on Christ’s miraculous creation)

    00:02:36 – Clarification: Discussion focuses on premise formation, not syllogistic inference process

    00:04:00 – Two types of propositions: Empirical observations vs. inductive generalizations

    00:05:17 – Example: “Crow is black” (observation) vs “All crows are black” (inductive generalization)

    00:07:07 – Inductive generalizations are probabilistic, not certain facts (Philosophical concept: Problem of induction)

    00:08:23 – “All men are mortal” as rational necessity vs observed fact (Logical analysis of universal propositions)

    00:10:08 – White crow analogy: Inductive conclusions remain vulnerable to counterexamples

    00:12:01 – Mortality example decomposed: “Zaid is man” (observation) vs “All men are mortal” (induction)

    00:13:54 – Syllogistic conclusion inherits probabilistic nature of inductive premises

    00:15:16 – Factual verification requires empirical confirmation beyond logical inference

    00:17:06 – Human reproduction example: “All humans have parents” as strong but non-absolute induction

    00:18:15 – Miraculous exceptions (Jesus) demonstrate limits of inductive reasoning

    00:19:36 – Epistemological humility emphasized (Hadith reference: Knowledge should foster humility)

    00:21:28 – Core thesis restated: Reason reaches “must exist”, prophets confirm “does exist”

    00:22:32 – Smoke-fire analogy: Multiple possibilities require empirical verification

    00:23:42 – Conclusion: Distinction between proposition formation vs inference validation

    Key References:

    • Quran 3:59 (Miraculous creation)

    • Quran 7:172 (Fitrah concept)

    • Logical texts on induction/deduction

    • Hadith on knowledge humility

    • Philosophical works on epistemology

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49uRkp4itWY

  • Ahsan

    Moderator August 5, 2023 at 11:24 pm

    Part 3

    00:00:10 – Introduction to series on proving God’s existence through reason (Quranic premise of Creator-creation relationship)

    00:00:37 – Clarifying “must exist” vs “does exist” distinction in logical premises (Philosophical epistemology)

    00:01:03 – Defining rational necessity (wujuub-e aqli) vs habitual necessity (wujuub-e aaddi) (Islamic logic terminology)

    00:02:23 – Scientific truths as examples of habitual necessity (Empirical observation basis)

    00:03:38 – Process of forming universals through induction as rational necessity (Logical induction process)

    00:04:54 – Distinction between proposition judgment (habitual) vs reasoning process (rational necessity)

    00:06:06 – Reason’s compulsory processes in deriving conclusions (Syllogistic logic requirements)

    00:07:12 – Addressing deductive logic’s demand for factual conclusions from inductive premises

    00:09:00 – Discussion on using technical vs common language in religious discourse (Quran 16:103 on clear Arabic)

    00:10:05 – Historical examples of scholars simplifying complex concepts (Shibli, Maududi etc.)

    00:12:37 – Prophetic model of “Arabi-e Mubeen” (clear speech) for public communication

    00:13:41 – Balancing traditional terminology with public understanding (Scholarly tradition vs contemporary needs)

    00:15:02 – Quranic communication model as non-technical guidance (Revelation’s linguistic approach)

    00:17:07 – Addressing perceptions about non-traditional scholars (Community reception dynamics)

    00:18:15 – Priority of clear public communication over scholarly validation (Da’wah methodology)

    00:19:15 – Bridging gap between scholars and modern audiences (Contemporary religious discourse)

    00:20:22 – Anecdote about excessive technical language (Imam Islahi’s medical consultation)

    Key References:

    • Quran 16:103 (Clear Arabic communication)

    • Islamic logic texts on wujuub-e aqli/aaddi

    • Historical scholarly works (Shibli, Maududi)

    • Prophetic communication models

    • Contemporary epistemology debates

    The discussion systematically addresses:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLFA3PC2Tq8

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