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  • Revealing Sins To Others

    Posted by Torik Kaddafi on October 1, 2025 at 9:02 am

    Discussion is-my-income-halal-if-the-work-i-do-causes-a-minor-sin/

    Mr. @Umer25 In the previous post, we discussed the behavior of someone who tells others about their sins.

    Yesterday, I asked if I told people around me or the public that I watched a boxing or UFC match yesterday (where this activity clearly hurts others and I believe it is a minor sin), and you said that this does not fall under the category of arrogance.

    Could you explain, sir, why this behavior does not fall under arrogance? In the hadith, it only mentions sinful actions, so I assume that behaviors that cause minor sins, such as harming others (even if done in a controlled environment), would fall under that category.

    Please explain, sir, so I can fully understand.

    Torik Kaddafi replied 1 day ago 2 Members · 14 Replies
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  • Revealing Sins To Others

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  • Umer

    Moderator October 2, 2025 at 12:32 am

    Ahadith are understood in the light of broad Quranic principles. Even if the words of hadith do not distinguish between minor and major sins, the Quran however does. Therefore, while a conscious Muslim tries his best to stay away from minor sins as well, but they are not of the same category as major sins.

    • Torik Kaddafi

      Member October 2, 2025 at 1:25 am

      I see…

      Then sir, why is telling my friends and the public that I do boxing and UFC not considered arrogant?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 2, 2025 at 1:44 am

      That depends on your intention, whether you are doing it out of arrogance or just for playing sports. If you are just playing a sport which is objectionable to some extent and has room for improvement, then just revealing it is not arrogance.

    • Torik Kaddafi

      Member October 2, 2025 at 2:21 am

      So it’s based on intensity.

      Mr. Umer, one more question, after that I will ask you about my understanding of this matter, whether it is correct or not.

      I have two friends in my class who often fight over trivial matters. One day, the argument got out of control, and they almost started fighting in class. So, I suggested to both of them, “Instead of fighting in class and causing problems, why don’t you just fight in the boxing ring?” I suggested this so they could resolve their issues in a suitable place without causing problems for others.

      I also set a condition that whoever won the match would not hold a grudge afterward. They agreed, and the next day we rented the nearest boxing ring near the school. Other classmates watched their match as if it were entertainment.

      The question is, is this action a major sin (arrogance)?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 3, 2025 at 10:52 am

      No it is not a major sin because there was no intention of arrogance to begin with. You made a proposition to resolve the conflict and turned it into a less objectionable activity. Sports like boxing are not a major sin like murder or adultery, but a discouraged act.

    • Torik Kaddafi

      Member October 3, 2025 at 11:56 am

      discouraged act that means is a minor sins right?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 9, 2025 at 10:13 am

      Discouraged act means it’s better to avoid it in the light of overall islamic principles.

      It could be a minor sin but there is no explicit ruling for boxing (as a sport in a controlled environment) available in religion. Inference of boxing being Haram is drawn by scholars from some indirect sayings of the Prophet (SWS).

      Therefore, we use the word discouraged instead.

    • Torik Kaddafi

      Member October 9, 2025 at 10:30 am

      No… I mean, boxing itself is not considered a sin. Boxing is essentially not a sin because it can be used for self-defense and the like.

      My question is about hitting someone. Whether it’s done in a controlled environment like boxing and UFC (where it’s impossible to avoid hitting someone in such activities), or when friends are fighting and other situations.

      So my question is, does hitting someone constitute a minor sin, whether it’s done in a controlled environment or not?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 15, 2025 at 2:13 am

      Hitting someone without a justifiable reason is a sin. However, the situation gets diluted when it is being done in a controlled environment; that is why we say it is discouraged instead of giving direct verdict of a sin.

    • Torik Kaddafi

      Member October 15, 2025 at 2:30 am

      I see………

      But in principle, it’s still right, isn’t it, sir? If we commit a minor sin in a controlled environment, for example, wearing inappropriate clothing, but in accordance with local social norms. For example, people wearing bikinis on the beach (of course, you have to consider the local community and whether this type of clothing is acceptable or not).

      In such cases, even if done in public, since it doesn’t disturb society and doesn’t lead to major sins, it falls under minor sins, right, sir?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 15, 2025 at 2:34 am

      Yes, correct.

    • Torik Kaddafi

      Member October 17, 2025 at 7:49 am

      So, sir…

      Is working as a boxer or UFC fighter halal? Although there will certainly be physical damage such as bruises or a bloody face, it does not involve attempting to kill or torture someone. And if death occurs, it is the result of an unintended accident.

      My question here is related to the previous post about income. You mentioned that as long as the primary activity is halal, then the smaller portion of it is not an issue.

      What about the job of a boxer or UFC fighter, sir? As far as I know, the primary activity of this job involves minor sins. Is the income from this job halal even though the primary activity involves minor sins?

    • Umer

      Moderator October 21, 2025 at 6:58 am

      For income to Haram, the primary activity needs to be Haram too. Which is not the case here.

    • Torik Kaddafi

      Member October 21, 2025 at 7:47 am

      Can you explain why boxing and UFC are not included in that case? Is it because both only cause minor sins without leading to major sins?

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