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  • Prophet's Daughter Fatima's Anger With Abu Bakr

    Posted by Sameer Bhagwat on July 31, 2020 at 6:53 am

    Hi,

    I want to know did Prophet’s daughter Fatima die angry with Abu Bakr for Abu Bakr’s refusal to give her the inheritance share ?

    My question is : if this was the rule that Prophet’s inheritance shouldn’t be received by his own daughter, why didn’t Fatima know about this rule earlier and when informed by Abu Bakr, why did she become angry with him and didn’t speak to him till her death ?

    Some hadiths to support this view :

    Volume 8, Book 80, Number 718 :

    Narrated by ‘Aisha

    Fatima and Al ‘Abbas came to Abu Bakr, seeking their share from the property of Allah’s Apostle and at that time, they were asking for their land at Fadak and their share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them, ” I have heard from Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Our property cannot be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity, but the family of Muhammad may take their provisions from this property.” Abu Bakr added, “By Allah, I will not leave the procedure I saw Allah’s Apostle following during his lifetime concerning this property.” Therefore Fatima left Abu Bakr and did not speak to him till she died.

    Narrated by ‘Aisha

    The Prophet said, “Our (Apostles’) property should not be inherited, and whatever we leave, is to be spent in charity.”

    Narrated by Abu Huraira

    Allah’s Apostle said, “Not even a single Dinar of my property should be distributed (after my deaths to my inheritors, but whatever I leave excluding the provision for my wives and my servants, should be spent in charity.”

    Umer replied 3 years, 8 months ago 4 Members · 23 Replies
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  • Prophet's Daughter Fatima's Anger With Abu Bakr

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  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor July 31, 2020 at 11:45 am

    @AhmadShoaib bhai for your reference.

  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor July 31, 2020 at 11:48 am

    I think brother @faisalharoon or @UmerQureshi or @Sohail can give you a better picture on what this Hadith meant and if it is truly authentic

  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator July 31, 2020 at 11:55 am

    It had to do w/ different interpretation of Kums directive in the Quran.

    One believed Khums was there due to Prophet (AS)’s role as leader of the state and other believed Khums was specific for the family of the Prophet (AS) and applies even after his demise.

  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor July 31, 2020 at 12:03 pm
  • Umer

    Moderator July 31, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    Sohail Sahab has rightly pointed out that it was a misunderstanding regarding Maal-e-fai on which Abu Bakar (rta) made the right decision on the basis of a clear diective of Quran. It would remain state owned property with a portion allocated to family of the Prophet (sws) without giving direct ownership to them.

  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor July 31, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    Are we saying that Ali and Fatima didn’t know this rule ? They got angry with Abu Bakr despite him doing the right thing? She remained so angry that she didn’t talk to Abu Bakr for her entire life (6 months) over an inheritance matter ..

    There is a hadith which has Prophet saying whoever angers Fatima angers him too.

  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor August 14, 2020 at 3:33 am

    My question is, where did this rule of Prophet’s inheritance not being distributed to his own family (his daughter mainly) get mentioned in the inheritance distribution verses ? If it is mentioned by Prophet then was it known to all the people ? If yes, how did Ali and Fatima not know it ?

  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor August 14, 2020 at 3:36 am

    I am asking this question, because Abu Bakr already knew that he was going to go to heaven.. so when he took this decision, it means Ali and Fatima should have known it was approved by Allah, as Abu Bakr was promised heaven already. If they got angry with him, and thus it would anger Prophet also, so it means that one can enter heaven even after angering Prophet.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 6:06 am

      This reasoning is flawed. The prophet ‎﴾ﷺ﴿ would’ve accepted Abu bakr’s رضي الله عنه justice. People can get unjustly angry or still do wrong deeds- it doesn’t mean they won’t enter heaven

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 6:08 am

      Then what does it mean by Prophet that whoever angered Fatima will anger him ?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 7:56 am

      You can’t just take a statement in a vacuum- many of us say things like this and then another time we change our minds

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:07 am

      Oh.. so Prophet didn’t really mean it when he said that. OK..

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:09 am

      It is very clearly a very common, simple use and figure of speech.

      It can be said to express love, sometimes when angry people say you are not my son- do they mean get out of my house and never come back?

      People say I love you more than my own life- does that mean that he wants to die?

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:15 am

      But this matter was not a simple naraazgi.. it was the matter which made Fatima very angry and she remained angry with Abu Bakr till her death.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:16 am

      So we have to see if the anger was justified or not. From my reading above apparently it was not.

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:18 am

      So, are you saying that the daughter of Prophet was unjustified in her anger ?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:21 am

      Well I don’t know I haven’t researched . But if it was all humans make mistakes

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:23 am

      And her husband who had so much knowledge on Qur’an also committed the mistake in understanding ?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 8:24 am

      People make mistakes

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 9:35 am

      How are you sure who among Fatima and Abu Bakr was committing mistake ?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 14, 2020 at 9:40 am

      Well I’m not- you should ask someone well versed in this matter. It depends on what the disagreement was and if we have proof to make a judgement

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 15, 2020 at 1:36 am

      It is one matter that either Caliph Abu Bakr or Hazarat Fatima understood the verse of inheritance and Prophet’s message on it incorrectly, surely both can’t be right here. I am sure that if those hadith is true, Hazarat Fatima must have known it..

      However, is it justified that Hazarat Fatima remains angry due to just this matter of inheritance, so much that she denied him the right to attend even her funeral ? Such type of anger can’t just be on some piece of land, specially not expected from one of the 4 best pious women.

  • Umer

    Moderator August 15, 2020 at 1:44 am

    For principal stance on the matter, please refer to the video below from 58:02 to 59:58

    https://youtu.be/SW6FEiREpuE?t=3482

    Coming to the narrations, there are some narrations which tell us that Hazrat Fatima (rta) came to terms with Hazrat Abu Bakr (rta) before Her death and it was all sorted out. Therefore, narration on funeral stands in contradiction with these narrations.

    Please see Bayhiqi, Sunan al-Kubra Number 12735

    (Also narrated in Bayhiqi’s Al-Aitiqad and Seerat-un-Nabawiya by Ibn-e-Kathir)

    There can be mistakes committed by any person other than a prophet in religious matters in his/her capacity as a human being. This mistake can be an honest mistake in misinterpreting an application of a practical matter, it is quite a natural phenomenon. The same appears to be the case here. What Abu Bakr (rta) did was in line with Quranic Directive. Umar (rta), Usman(rta) and Ali (rta) they all followed the same policy with regards to Fadak so there was no disagreement with regards to application of this principle at a state level. A misunderstanding of a matter has no bearing on piety of someone, they are mutually exclusive things.

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