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  • Who Is The Quran Clear For?

    Posted by A Hasan on February 4, 2021 at 3:24 pm

    In the opening ayaat of surah Yusuf, Allah claims that the Quran is clear. Why then, are there so many clashing opinion? Is it all due to taqleed and hadith dogmatism?

    And clarity is relative, an A level biology textbook would be unclear to me, but not to an A level student- so who is the Quran clear for?

    Faisal Haroon replied 3 years, 11 months ago 4 Members · 18 Replies
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  • Who Is The Quran Clear For?

    Faisal Haroon updated 3 years, 11 months ago 4 Members · 18 Replies
  • Nadeem

    Member February 4, 2021 at 4:13 pm

    It is someone honestly seeking a creator. More specifically, read this…

    https://youtu.be/3SV47zDdFYw

  • Nadeem

    Member February 4, 2021 at 4:21 pm

    When I sought creator honestly and read Quran, it was very clear in my heart. I can’t describe it and it is not like we are discussing and exploring details of various issues, but I felt like I understood the main purpose of what Allah wants from us and a calm feeling. I kept further exploring details of various issues, but it did not add to it. All these small things we discuss on many forums and argue on various venus feel meaningless as compared to what the heart understood as the essence of the message.

  • Nadeem

    Member February 4, 2021 at 4:30 pm

    56:79 None can grasp it except sincere

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 5, 2021 at 11:11 am

    Quran is clear in it’s meaning, however, that meaning still needs to be understood by humans. It’s a common occurrence that we tell someone something very clearly, but they misunderstand it. Or someone tells us something very clearly in their own mind, but we fail to comprehend it. Just because there are differences of opinion about something doesn’t mean that it’s not clear.

    Please also refer to the following discussion:

    Discussion 37997

    • A Hasan

      Contributor February 5, 2021 at 2:04 pm

      Surely the clarity of something will be judged by if a majority of people agree on the most of it. Because it’s meant to be clear for humans

    • Nadeem

      Member February 5, 2021 at 2:20 pm

      I respectfully disagree with Shoab. There is an eye in the heart and an eye in the mind. Mind will never get ultimate proof, nor Allah provides one, but heart can see the proof but can’t explain it.

      It starts from heart goes to mind and ends at heart.

      I totally agree with Faisal. All these difference of opinion and discussions are meaningless in grand scheme of things. It is just an effort to get even closer to Allah.

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 5, 2021 at 3:03 pm

    What’s the purpose of judging the clarity? We simply need to look at the evidence on two sides of the argument wherever there’s a disagreement, and make up our mind based on which evidence holds.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor February 6, 2021 at 9:21 am

      Because the Quran claims to be clear

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator February 6, 2021 at 10:26 am

      What I meant to say is that there’s no point in judging the clarity on the basis of majority. It’s true that the Quran claims that it’s clear. We have to take that as a statement and figure our how to reach that clarity on the basis of evidence rather than judging it’s clarity on the basis of majority.

    • A Hasan

      Contributor February 6, 2021 at 10:34 am

      Yes but the way something will be clear is that if people of reasonable intelligence levels will come to the same conclusion about a statement in the book. I guess we could say most differences are due to ahadith dogmatism or taqleed etc.

      But take the oaths of surah fajr- so many differences even without ahadith I think

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 6, 2021 at 11:33 am

    No I still don’t think that clarity of something needs to be judged on the basis of what meaning others have understood. We should instead critically analyze the principles upon which a certain person or a group understands the Quran. Ghamidi sahab has stated his principles in the beginning of his book Meezan. Similarly, other scholars have published their principles.

    • Nadeem

      Member February 6, 2021 at 11:44 am

      I concur with you Faisal. Still I will say understanding is in the heart not mind. Only sincere can understand.

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator February 6, 2021 at 12:22 pm

      Of course sincerity in finding the truth is an absolute prerequisite.

  • Hasan-Ali Younis

    Member February 6, 2021 at 2:02 pm

    That is true , if the Quran was soo clear we wouldn’t soo many different interpretations (i.e. Tahweel, Tafweed etc..) , actually doesn’t surah Aal-Imran ayat 7 , not show that everything in the Quran isn’t clear.

    هُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَاب

    “He is the One who has revealed to you the Book (the Qur’ān). Out of it there are verses that are MuHkamāt (of established meaning), which are the principal verses of the Book, and some others are Mutashābihāt (whose definite meanings are unknown). Now those who have perversity in their hearts go after such part of it as is mutashābih, seeking (to create) discord, and searching for its interpretation (that meets their desires), while no one knows its interpretation except Allah; and those well-grounded in knowledge say: “We believe therein; all is from our Lord.” Only the men of understanding observe the advice.”

    If the definite meaning is not known, then does that make something unclear?

    • A Hasan

      Contributor February 6, 2021 at 2:05 pm

      Mutashabihaat means allegory or simile not unclear.

      Otherwise I would argue most ta’weelaat are from Hadith dogmatism but surely in some places like surah fajr the argument for a lack of clarity could be made. Maybe not now that I think again tbh

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 6, 2021 at 3:42 pm

    The Quran in it’s own words is a meezan (a scale weigh good and evil) and a furqan (criterion between good and evil) and a muhaymin (guardian) over other divine scriptures.

    If we are not able to distinguish the muhkam from the mutashabih, and are also unable to understand what the mutashabih verses mean then how can we determine the claim of the Quran in these verses, and how can we regard it to be the final authority on the basis of this claim over other things?

    Mutashabih simply means allegorical. Mutashabih verses fully convey their intended meaning, however, since those things pertain to after life we simply can’t understand their reality.

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 6, 2021 at 3:43 pm
  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator February 6, 2021 at 3:43 pm

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