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  • Can I Send My Disagreement To Ghamidi Sahab?

    Posted by Altamash Ali on June 6, 2021 at 11:19 am

    بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

    From the Motivation of This Video…

    https://youtu.be/X-ZcFRtmfgA?t=31

    In the Above Video( https://youtu.be/X-ZcFRtmfgA?t=31 )

    Questioner Asked, ‘how can someone Send to You his disagreement’.. ( but i don’t really want to send Disagreement it’s just some serious Questions.)

    & Ghamidi Sahab Replied.. You Can do Disagreement with anyone, The Correct way to Send disagreement to someone is That If you can Meet Then do Meet, if you can Tell & Explain in Writing Then do Tell & explain, Nowadays you can Explain Through the Voice as there are so many Means to do so. But Before Doing the Disagreement a Person should Undeerstand the other’s Opinion Deliberately……. And Before Going to do Disagreement with anyone First you should Understand His Opinion in a Way That if you Explain to him his views then he just say with Surprise “That i cannot Explain Better Than what you Explained”

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    First, thousands of Thanks, and i really appreciate Ghamidi Sahab that he really invite All those who want to Ask & Even Invite those who want to do Disagreement..!!!!!

    Second…!! Serious Questions of mine are only Those 3 Questions that I discussed in Discussion 51283 ; Topic: Quran 49:13 & Identifying Oneself As a Muslim

    third :- Ghamidi Sahab Suggested many ways, & i Don’t have That Much Courage to Speak before The One person That i Sincerely Believe That He is Among The respected People of A’raf. yeah also in reality i can not Travel 13,140 Kilometer and i’m Just a Teenager. So yeah i prefer My writing to Ask..

    Fourth :- Now i Tried to Find Ghamidi Sahab’s Point of View or His opinion on this matter ‘That whether a Community can be known as Muslim or not’ Just Because he Said to ‘Understand the other’s Opinion Deliberately Before Disagreement.’

    & After Hours i Found this Video( https://youtu.be/0uB7MXGAjTk ).. From Time 00:00 to 00:55.

    https://youtu.be/0uB7MXGAjTk

    Here Ghamidi Sahab Said “Word ‘Muslim’ have Two Meanings, one is it’s Original Meaning of ‘Muslim’ That if a Jew Consider himself Muslim(submitted to God) then He is, if a Christian Consider Himself ‘Muslim'(Submitted) then he is.. Which Means Believer in Truth, The one who Stand on justice, The one who is Submitted before God. AND on other Side is ‘Muslim Community’ That Exist today. This community does not call them Muslim Because of it’s Reality of Islam(submission) .. But Just a Community That now Exist.😕😕 & Quran indicates, Even After Becoming Believer you all belong to some ‘so Called’ Groups But know that your Salvation will not be Based on Belonging to certain groups’…

    But Where do Quran Says That After Believe(iman) you Belong to Certain Groups?? Quran Address Them(jew, christian) with their Names Just to Address them Because they Called themselves by these Names as Community. In Quran 2:62, word ‘Muslim’ does not exist. But what Used is “Those who Believe”. and it isn’t community.

    Do Quran Really Telling me to Attach a so Called “Community’s name”?? then where?….. what i found is Just ‘Quran 49:13’ in which i was guided to be known by my Tribe, and my ancestors.

    And if Ghamidi Sahab Really know that what he said in his Words :-

    “This Muslim community does not call them Muslim Because of it’s Reality of Islam(submission) .. But Just a Community That somehow Exist and call themselves ‘Muslim(Submiitted).” and if he really know That ‘there is no Reality of ‘Muslim Community’.. Then why should we use Word ‘Muslim’ For Community??

    Read please

    “And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart – about all those [one] will be questioned.” -Quran 17:36

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    So yes

    Serious Questions of mine are only Those 3 Questions that I discussed in Discussion 51283 ; Topic: Quran 49:13 & Identifying Oneself As a Muslim

    I Submitted in Writings .. i hope, i will Get Profound Answers for my Questions from the Ghamidi Sahab..


    Salam on you, to ‘Ask Ghamidi’ team And lots of thanks..Heart Exclamation

    Faisal Haroon replied 3 years, 7 months ago 2 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Can I Send My Disagreement To Ghamidi Sahab?

  • Faisal Haroon

    Moderator June 6, 2021 at 11:34 am

    The condition for disagreement is that one should fully and deeply understand the opposing viewpoint and be able to articulate it. In the post that you referenced, that’s certainly not the case.

    If you would like to speak with Ghamidi sahab directly, you can register for the next Ask Ghamidi Live event.

    Ask Ghamidi Live | June 2021

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    • Altamash Ali

      Member June 6, 2021 at 4:03 pm

      Salam.

      May God have Mercy on you..

      Thanks .

      yeah,, and Thanks again for showing me where to contact!!, And plss. in the post that i do reference, there is reference of what Ghamidi Sahab said on Concerened Topic.. you can easily find that i articulated Ghamidi Sahab’s words in That Referenced discussion too..

      what i articulated there is this :-

      “What Ghamidi Sahab had said is this… :- “Only getting registered as a Muslim(Submitted to God) is not enough to enter heaven.” –source :-youtube Video“,,…!

      and in this discussion i tried to find his Teaching Further on this topic and i found after hours a Video that i mentioned Above to clearly know his viewpoint..

      So yeah Thanks..

      Heart<Black Heart

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator June 6, 2021 at 5:02 pm

      Ghamidi sahab has written an entire book called Meezan which describes his understanding of the entire content of Islam. A summarized version of Meezan is called Al-Islam. Additionally he has written other books including an exegesis of the entire Quran called Al-Bayan. You can refer to these in order to gain a deeper understanding of his viewpoint.

    • Altamash Ali

      Member June 7, 2021 at 3:58 am

      Yes, i looked into Meezan and Read it’s Index, But there isn’t Mentioning Related to Topic ‘Muslim’.. and yes i Read Al Bayan..

      In Meezan, Ghamidi Sahab Explained About Believer(Mu’min) That how if a Person Believe in God then He is Mu’min in view of Quran. and i Agree, But what i am Talking about is word ‘Muslim(Submitted to God)’ and how can it be applied to a Whole Community in which All type(good, bad arrogant) of people exist. and how can all type be Submitted to god!

      I am Really Concerned & Serioius About this Topic, Since I Read this Horrible and Shocking Hadith below maybe in last 10 days of Ramadan…

      please read..

      Sayyiduna Abu Bakrah narrated that a man began to praise another (to his face) in the presence of the Prophetﷺ. so, He said, “Wailaka (Woe on you) ! You have cut the neck of your brother!” He said this three times “If any of you must needs praise another, then he should say, ‘I consider him to be such and such, for, Allah is the One (who knows and) who takes account of him(as he knows his reality) If he who praises supposes that the other deserves the praise. (In either case) he must not take upon himself the right to declare anyone pure.”

      Sahih al-Bukhari : 6162 & Mishkat al-Masabih : 4827

      And word ‘Muslim (Submitted to God)’ is indeed a praising Word.. By Using Word ‘Muslim’ for People is like that we are guaranteeing that Person or Group of Person that Indeed You Will go To Heaven Because Quran said,


      “ [To whom Allah will say], “O My servants, no fear will there be concerning you this Day, nor will you grieve,۝

      [You] who believed in Our verses and were Muslims.۝

      ‘Enter Paradise, you and your spouses: you will be filled with joy.’۝”

      -Quran 43:68-70

      Yes, Can you See Prophetﷺ used for This ‘way of Praising’ Very Critical and Horrible words that are “Wailaka (Woe on you) ! You have cut the neck of your brother!” He said this three times “ And he Said Three timess. & From other nerrations that i Quoted in previous discussion Prophet himself didn’t Ever Used word ‘Muslim’ for People Even if they were the People who Prayed behind him..

      read this…

      “The Prophet (ﷺ) became sick and when his disease became aggravated, he said, “Tell Abu Bakr to lead the prayer.” `Aisha said, “He is a softhearted man and would not be able to lead the prayer in your place.” The Prophet (ﷺ) said again, “Tell Abu Bakr to lead the people in prayer.” She repeated the same reply but he said, “Tell Abu Bakr to lead the people in prayer. You are the companions of Joseph.” So the messenger went to Abu Bakr (with that order) and he led the people in prayer in the lifetime of the Prophet.

      -Sahih al-Bukhari : 678

      So yeah, Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) even Himself did not Said to ‘lead the Muslim in Prayer’ But he Said lead “the People is Prayer” And he said Two Times. He wasn’t Sure that Whether all those who Prayed behind him are really Muslim(submitted to God) or not!!!


      This was Enough to Horrify me.. and i thought to Ask about the matter..

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      So, If we Take the guidance from Above Hadith, then we should Praise a person & Identify him with his Tribe And Say that :- ‘I Consider That Person of xyz Tribe as a Muslim'(Submitted to God). Because only Allah knows Reality of his heart And anyone Must not take upon himself the right to declare anyone pure.


      Saying, My Brother is Muslim!, my neighbour is Muslim!, ‘xyz Person’ is Muslim(submitted to God)!, a Group is Muslim!, a Nation or Country is ‘Muslim Country’! is like WE SEVERED & CUT OFF their Necks like Massacre..,, Whenever This Thought Come in my mind i Start Feeling so much Bad and confused that i can’t Describe in words.. i can’t tell u what is Condition of my heart Right now. i really need some Guidance.. I really need Answers For Those 3 Serious Questions.


      i Hope, u can understand the severity of Topic.. and Why Prophetﷺ Used those horrible words for Three times…… maybe He knew that People would call Themselves by Good names and Honours After Him without Understanding it.. and will Use in common day language that a “Muslim thief Caught”, And a “Muslim is Criminal” While Even Using Muslim directly is like we severed That xyz person’s neck’.

      so Should i only identify a Person with his Tribe’s and ancestor’s name?? as told to us In Quran 49:13!!.. or My whole Understanding is somewhere Wrong.. Then please point me that where i understood something wrong.., i just need Guidance.

  • Altamash Ali

    Member June 7, 2021 at 4:24 pm

    Salam, Respected “team ‘Ask Ghamidi'” and @faisalharoon Sir.

    I cannot Submit My request on Contact Us | Ghamidi.org and Can not Submit 800 word Message Due to Google reCAPTCHA Error.

    I read The Article of how to Fix it. and i used other Accounts and incognito Mode too, and it maybe From Fault from Google, But There only Exist an Email Address of reCaptcha.

    Do i have only one Way left??? which is to Ask in ‘Ask Ghamidi’ in 30 Seconds of Time?? Sir, Can you Understand this topic is Bit Long and Severe.

    Sir, Can i Submit That 800 word Message Here? I can’t see any other Way to make Contact. so yes.. But Before that i want to Tell an Incident That i heard From Ghamidi Sahab, i tried hours to Find that video again on youtube but i didn’t found if i would have link for that video then i would have linked But. About That incident Ghamidi Sahab Said is :-


    ” i was in a Masjid and someone Asked Imam of Masjjid about some Question, that Imam Answered the Question but after that Imam Said, in my old days our tradition was that “We wrote Question on Paper and Left it For Teachers and Waited for Answers for weeks, that if the Teachers Saw The Question by any chance in Far Future then they can Get Answer,, After listening to this Response of That Imam, Ghamidi sahab met That Imam Again and told him about Character of Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) Ghamidi Sahab Said :- it’s in Muwatta of Imam Malik, the first Book of Hadith, That on one Friday Prophetﷺ Was Giving the khutba in Masjid and During that a Man from Countryside Standed Up And said, I can’t spend Time After Juma i have to Go for my work. so Can you Answer My Questions? when Prophetﷺ heard This, He came Down from Mimbar while he Was giving the Khutba and Went near to that Countryside Man and Asked What Are your Questions?? He Said So & so.. and Prophet Gave all Answered to his Questions…


    So yes,, i Just want to Send this Message of 800 Word to Ghamidi Sahab, To the one who Nerrated This Inceident and Hadith..


    Message :

    Ghamidi Sahab,

    I have Some serious Questions, not any disagreement

    Sahab, i Read a hadith in Sahihayn, in which Nabiﷺ used very horrible Words, when a Person Praised another one, and Nabiﷺ was Present there, Heﷺ Said, “You have Cut-off Neck of your brother, Don’t Praise anyone so &so, But say ‘I Consider xyz Very Pious’ & no one can Declare anyone pure Before God”

    & ‘Muslim’ is a praising word too, a Muslim(submitted) surely go to heaven (Quran 43:68)

    And from there i became confused, that we use word ‘Muslim’ Many time for Many people Directly, So isn’t it like That we Cut off Their Neck?

    Sir, i am Horrified when i found many hadith in That Nabiﷺ Never used word Muslim For Community.

    Sahab, i have Submitted my Issue & Questions in Writing on discussion 51459 & 51283 pls Read every message.



    Sir, I would be Thankful if you can convey this to the Ghamidi Sahab, The one That i Consider Best Educator. and Research Fellow.. and Talib-e-ilm(Student) That can Understand and listen and Can help me to Get Guidance Through Profound insights.

    Plss Watch this Video.. https://youtu.be/uXFQTcxfYj0

    “Every Person Where He Stands Does not Take Different Different Path’ So if you Suddenly Talk About and From Another World Then In the Person’s Heart Resistance Will surely Develop And if you aware of this Reality then in That condition You should not Show any further Resistance from yourself on that Person’s Resistance And I Understood it” -Javed Ahmad Ghamidi..


    I can’t find Words like These in this world from Anyone, But Ghamidi Sahab.. and I Understood this Reallity too..


    Salam…

    Orange Heart

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator June 7, 2021 at 5:22 pm

      This thread is about how to communicate your disagreements. Since that was already answered, this thread will now be closed.

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