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Why God's Love Is Conditional?
Reference : https://www.javedahmedghamidi.org/#!/quran?chapter=74¶graph=1&type=Ghamidi#fn_44
44 Conviction in the Hereafter, the prayer and spending in charity is the substance of whole religion. I have mentioned earlier that to become a true servant of God in this world, two things are needed: firstly, the relationship of a person should be established with his Creator on sound footings; secondly, he connects with his fellow creation in the right manner. The first of these is obtained through the prayer which is the foremost manifestation of love with God, and the second through spending in charity which is the foremost manifestation of love with His creation.
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/// Below is an AI answered explanation of conditional love done in religious context:
Toxic Authority or Spiritual Manipulation (if done in a religious or ideological context) – Using punishment or threats to demand devotion.
Healthy love is voluntary and reciprocal—it cannot be genuine if it’s demanded under threat. ///
Love is an emotion that is not constant in human beings and it is felt for beings who are present with us physically and we see their actions and their love for us. Its because we see and feel then it leads to the emotion called love.
My question is –
If someone has truth abiding attitude, does not reject truth but doesn’t pray namaz regularly and prays only when he genuinely feels love of Allah then will he still be punished in court of Allah ? Does Allah not love back such a person ? Will he be thrown in hellfire and accused of not loving Allah ? Why is the relationship with Allah can only be achieved via prayer ?
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Why God's Love Is Conditional?
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Allah is not just an emotional being. He has introduced Himself as Rabb, King and God of the people. We not only love Him for His benevolence but also recognize Him as our King who must be obeyed, and God who alone must be worshipped. Not praying in face of his directives amounts to ignoring Him. This is disrespect which He doesn’t allow.
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If he doesn’t allow disrespect then why did he gave humans free will. He knew very well that they will not going to obey him. This matter is even brought up by Musa (A.S) when prophet had dream of meeraj. Musa a.s said that they will not be able to pray 5 times also , go back and decrease some more prayers.
Also, in an earlier post you said that religion cannot be imposed. Use of threat is an extention of Use of force and using force leads to imposing.
If these types of threats are allowed then all the extremists organisations actions doing across the globe are justified. They are imposing a type of toxic authority on their subjects just like kings do.
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Please also shed light on the aspect of toxic authority and spiritual manipulation:
Toxic Authority or Spiritual Manipulation (if done in a religious or ideological context) – Using punishment or threats to demand devotion.
Healthy love is voluntary and reciprocal—it cannot be genuine if it’s demanded under threat.
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God has put us to the test, with free will and knowledge of the consequences of our conscious deeds. This is a fair test.
Human beings develop the same model of punishment and reward in their societies. This is how human nature operates. Obedience and disobedience, good and bad, are not treated the same. The same is done by God. This is the nature on which He created the people and they will be judged accordingly. If He treats everyone the same, it makes the whole scheme of creation useless and Zulm.
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I understand that you are saying God is Just and his actions are justifiable.
If prayer is the manifestation of love (as per the footnote 44) and then how is love demanded from god with threat of hellfire justifiable ?
Love is a natural genuine feeling and it cannot be artificial.
If someone say’s that I love god because if I don’t love him then he will put me in hellfire, then please reflect on this sentence and see that it sounds very inauthentic and artificial.
I request you to please explain how is love of god demanded under threat of hellfire justifiable in this scheme of test ?
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Take it or leave it: I guess many many muslims pray 5 times a day not because of love of god but because of his threat of hellfire.
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Only Love doesn’t define God. God is what he introduced Himself in the Qur’an. He is provider, master and God of the people. He demands gratefulness, worship and obedience. He is more like a king than to a mother or father.
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If he is more like a King then why is he ruling his creation with inzaar (fear) ?
If love does not define god then why he is choosing fear to define himself ?
I agree that he is master, provider, god but also who rules his subjects with fear.
Fear is a tool of control.
If he does not need anything and above everything then why is he trying to control everybody into worshiping him ?
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He is not doing it for Himself. He wants his people to meet that merit and for this He uses the warnings. This is what we do, too to make please aware. And this is what He does.
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If it it was for us then why does huqooq ul allah exists ? A being who does not need anything and all powerful should not bother who obeys him amd who does not worship him.
There is no problem in worshiping him or obeying him out of free will and love but why does he use force, threats and fear for our wellbeing. He should have said I dont care if you dont worship or obey me. I am free of all needs.
Contrary to this, all I have seen till now is that Islam is all about Allah telling to his creation- worship me, obey me, die for me, this for me, that for me and list goes on.
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Example of this situation is like- A person been given the gift of free will and also a gun of hell is kept on his head by the same gifter of free will. Now, he should obey the gifter and also thank for the gift.
Do you think even a child in this situation would thank the gifter with sincerity and gratitude for giving the gift?
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