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Follow Up Question On Propfirm Model
As-salamu alaykum,
JazakAllahu khair (umar) for your earlier replies on this. I have since asked some Arab scholars about the same paid Challenge structure, and they reached the opposite conclusion, citing specific evidence I would like your response to, since we’re all reasoning from the same texts but reaching different places.
Their core points, with citations:
1. They ground the general prohibition of maysir in Qur’an 5:90, 2:219, and 4:29, and the hadith in Bukhari (4860) and Muslim (1647) on the gravity of even inviting someone to gamble.
2. On skill: they cite the hadith “There is no prize-money except in camel racing, horse racing, or archery” (Abu Dawud 2574, Tirmidhi 1700, Nasa’i 3585, Ibn Majah 2878), arguing that since these are skill-based competitions and the Prophet ﷺ still restricted where prize-money (sabaq) is permitted, skill alone does not make payment for an uncertain prize permissible. If skill alone were sufficient, the hadith would have stated a general principle rather than naming three specific activities.
3. On the comparison to exam or licensing fees: they argue legal consideration is given to substance over wording, so calling the fee a “service fee” does not by itself change the ruling if, in substance, the fee is a condition for entering a financial contingency rather than an independent fee for a service sought for its own sake.
4. On ju’alah: they note that in a genuine ju’alah, the offeror pays the worker upon completion of a task; here, it is the trader who pays the company and places money at risk to qualify for the reward, which inverts that structure.
5. They also cited International Islamic Fiqh Academy Resolution No. 127 (14/1), which states that in a prize competition, the prize must not come from the competitors themselves.
Given this evidence, particularly points 2 and 3, does your earlier reasoning still hold — that this isn’t gambling since no rule requires anyone to fail, and that it’s comparable to exam or licensing fees? I’d value your response specifically to the sabaq hadith argument, since it speaks directly to the skill-based reasoning your answer relied on.
JazakAllahu khair.
Wassalam,
[Masroor]
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