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Quranic Arabic
How can we come to know the meaning of a Quranic word without knowing how it was undertood historically. If we can’t come to know without historical books then the meaning and interpretation of the Quran should be based on hadith literature no?
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Quranic Arabic
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So the Quranic Arabic was preserved perfectly by various scholars and groups- did I understand correctly? So there is no actual need to refer to historical records as this nuance of the Arabic language was kept preserved?
Could you give me some references of this?
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But bhai there should be no need for any historical evidence to explain the Quran if the language is preserved. And if the Quran can explain itself
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Right, language is preserved in books (daur-e-jahiliyaa ka adab). I was asking learned folks to give you some names.
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How much do we rely on these works? For example an Arab when he reads Quran says Maury is ukhta harun may thing the Quran got lineage wrong. So how much to we rely on this. And why should we rely on books of jahiliya that are not as authentic as Hadith surely?
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This makes it seem like the Quran is based on khabr wahid and non established history to make its meanings’ known
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Because this statement is then true:
The meaning of some of the vocabulary used wouldn’t have been known if it werent for historical reports of what they meant at that time
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I find it hard to digest the last sentence. How could the meaning of our holy book only be unlocked after having to consult books that are from a historical record. Unless we claim that these books hold a similar ijma and tawatur to the Quran. But Ghamidi sahab above said that the discerning of these books is similar to that of discerning sahih to daif hadith. So at the end of the day to us erstand the Quran we do need khabr wahid after all?
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@AhmadShoaib you are mixing up two completely different issues. The reason to consult daur-e-jahiliya adab is to understand and appreciate the “language” and “literary devices” used in Quran which was revealed in the “language” of Quraysh.
Pls. watch Hassan’s video again
https://solitaryspark.com/2014/11/10-common-literary-devices-with-examples.html
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@Sohail But brother Sohail- the literary devices are present in the Quran already- I have no qualm with that. But the actual words of the Quran- eg one place Allah says ليعلم الله- this means in modern Arabic so Allah can know- this is illogical as Allah already knows all. So when we consult previous classical dictionaries we find out this word is also used to say so Allah can make evident/so Allah can test. And also when Mary is called اخت هارون- a modern Arab thinks this means sister- and this would lead to wrong understanding of the meaning of the word in context .
This means we need to consult historical works to actually understand some Quranic words
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Right, this is exactly what Hassan is saying that in order to understand the language of Quran we need to look at the contemporary (to Quran) sources and that is daur-e-jahiliya ka adaab! The examples you provided in your comment validates this.
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And I have a problem with this because it means that the interpretation of the Quran is based on some language that Is. It even preserved today @Sohail
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All languages evolve, Arabic is no exception. Hassan explained this with examples (Urdu) in his video, he also mentioned how classical Arabic is preserved!
See this book
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1 hour and 4 minutes in this video
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Ok brother @Sohail . So the problem is still there- someone has to learn this language. And I’m not sure how Hassan sb explained it but a language is woven into the fabric of a society. A modern Arab finds it difficult sometimes to understand the Quran. I just had an idea- is a Quranic Arabic preserved just like Latin?
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