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  • Is Homosexuality A Sin?

     Sohail Kouser updated 1 week ago 8 Members · 38 Posts
  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator June 26, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    Is homosexuality a sin?

  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator June 26, 2020 at 4:55 pm
  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator June 26, 2020 at 4:56 pm
  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator June 26, 2020 at 4:56 pm
  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator June 26, 2020 at 4:57 pm
  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator June 26, 2020 at 4:57 pm
  • Umer

    Moderator June 27, 2020 at 2:14 am
  • Farhan Saiyed

    Moderator August 4, 2020 at 8:06 pm

  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor August 4, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    Can it be summarized if Ghamidi saab opposes homosexuals being punished/killed by law ? In an ideal Islamic state, will a homosexual have the liberty to exercise his choice, or he/she will be given death punishment ?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:00 am

      You can watch the latest video but he does not believe homosexuality comes under the heading crime that a state can punish because it doesn’t have the same implications as zina. But both are still sins and punished in the court of Allah how he sees fit

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 1:38 am

      So, what is Islamic punishment for homosexuality in this world ? If he is not punished here (only Allah will punish him in afterlife) , does it mean he is free to do this act without law preventing him ?

  • Rafia Khawaja

    Member August 7, 2020 at 8:10 am

    While Qur’an clearly forbids Homosexual and Lesbian relationships, we have to accept the fact that both conditions are present. My question is that could these conditions be genetic, a medical problem? Can these conditions be treated? If a man or woman is born with these inclinations then what is he or she suppose to do? I have come across families where two sons are gay. I have come across women who are very religious and pious, pray 5 times a day but have a lesbian relationship. Can anybody explain the reasons for this? I’ve struggled to find a convincing answer but so far I have not.

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 8:18 am

      It is very convenient for heterosexual people to sermon the homosexuals as they should just live with their “problem” and treat it as a test from God. Homosexuality is very natural and if God created this world, then he created them like that.

      I am not a homosexual, and I don’t know if it is a medical problem, but I know one thing, that they are not harming the society as long as they do things in their own bedroom and with consent.

      Our society treats them as sinners and criminals, while we make heroes out of killers . If this is the morality, I reject such moral superiority.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 11:55 am

      For this maybe you can refer to 23 religious ideas series episodes 14-latest where it talks about fitrah.

      Therein lies part of the problem.

      You can watch the new lgbt video for this ‘phir bus ho ne do..’ idea

      Our society should not do this

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 11:59 am

      We don’t allow this ‘just let it happen’ ideology when it comes to traffic. Or when it comes to smoking. Or when it comes to drugs. Or when it comes to sending children to school. Or when it comes to underage drinking. Or when it comes to building tall building with safety procedures.

      So why should I – a religious person- allow it to happen with my principles- or not care for someone who I believe will reap bad consequences for their actions

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:07 pm

      We don’t allow “just let it happen” with traffic, because one person’s traffic violation can put the other person’s life in danger.

      We allow smoking.. and drugs as long as the person is an adult and knows what he is taking and understands all the implications of it.

      You have full rights to care for someone, but have no right to stop him from an act which is not doing harm to you or the society.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:09 pm

      We don’t allow certain drugs even when they are adults.

      And yes- the state can’t punish anything which does not infringe someone else.

      I meant episode 13

      https://youtu.be/VaaD2xxvMUA

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:14 pm

      I would like to know those specific drugs and their reasons for prohibition .. if it is proven harmful, then obviously they will not be allowed for public consumption..

      BTW, why don’t you apply the same logic of prohibiting homosexuality, to prohibiting other greater evils like polytheism ?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:17 pm

      About polytheism I’m talking about personal/state capacity

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:22 pm

      About polytheism I’m talking about personal/state capacity” .. Sorry ? I could not understand.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 1:00 pm

      State should have a religion or favouring in a nation state.

      State can prohibit homosexuality and make punishments for it if they believe the society is being harmed

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 1:02 pm

      How is society being harmed in case of homosexuality and not in case of polytheism ?

  • Rafia Khawaja

    Member August 7, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    I would like to know if some one is born with the traits then how do we handle them I think consulting a specialist is very necessary Maybe a psychotherapist You can call this a trial but I think one needs to find the basis of it. It will be a long trial which brings a lot of anguish to the families

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:57 pm

      To my knowledge I’m not sure if there is any conclusive proof to suggest if it is by birth.

      You could consult a specialist i guess.

      Many trials occur in our life that we hide from our families and it need to turn into anguish if you ground your children with strong morals from the start

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 12:59 pm

      There is no conclusive proof of it not being by birth either… it is found in animals as well…

    • Basit Q

      Member March 21, 2021 at 8:29 am
  • Rafia Khawaja

    Member August 7, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    These traits start manifesting at a very young age so it is very suggestive that there are by birth or something in their genes. This is a matter which needs to studied further by experts in this field. I know this family with three boys, two turned out to be gay. Would you call this a coincidence? Does Something happens in the mind and body? I think it would be very difficult to keep traits in control sooner or later they will come out.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor August 7, 2020 at 6:57 pm

      Maybe it is due to perversions or things witnessed or incidents that happened in childhood. The name of the game is to fight these urges. You can search for cures for these urges the same way a psychopath would

    • Sohail Kouser

      Member May 2, 2021 at 7:58 am

      Hi

      Homossexuality is no longer considered a disease in the west. Psychiatrists can’t prescribe them any medicine, etc.

      If we are going to ostracize Homossexual kids etc then they will find many to embrace them atleast in west.

      A very detailed study has to be done regarding Homossexuality in muslim families asap. God is all merciful .

      We in muslim societies can’t even talk about it, we put everything under the carpet but its going to haunt us in coming decades.

      Thanks

  • Rafia Khawaja

    Member August 7, 2020 at 7:22 pm

    Look I’m not condoning homosexuality but I

    Still Maintain that we are not 100% sure why it happens. You cannot always say that something happened in their childhood. I personally know of cases of gays and lesbians who have had an ideal childhood and upbringing . How do you think the parents feel to find their son is gay or their daughter is a lesbian. ?It is devastating and I have witnessed it. What bothers me is when we label every homosexual and every lesbian as an evil person They are struggling themselves too. We need to pray for such people ask Allah to help them. We should not abandon them but help them in what way we can.We definitely need to research the causes also

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 8, 2020 at 4:24 am

      If homosexuality is a sin, like eating pork is, then let Allah judge them. Both, homosexuality and eating pork are not bad or immoral in themselves, but for some reason Allah considers these two acts as sins (though both are lesser sins than polytheism ). If polytheism is not causing any problem in the society, let the homosexuals and pork eaters also live in peace .. let Allah punish them in the afterlife, but at least let them enjoy this life without treating them as if they are disgusting criminals.

      Sad to see that a homosexual in our society (who is not doing any harm to others) is treated as a bad person, while the killers of innocent people are celebrated as Gazi .. that shows our level of morality.

  • Rafia Khawaja

    Member August 8, 2020 at 7:35 am

    Allah will be the judge of each and every human being and he will never be un fair to any one. Whilst it is our duty to guide others to the best of our knowledge, nobody has a right to pass judgement on any one too.

    Yes, it is true that killing people for blasphemy, and making them heros has done a great disservice to Islam and giving Muslims a very bad name in the world.

  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor August 8, 2020 at 8:14 am

    “Allah will be the judge of each and every human being and he will never be un fair to any one.”

    In my opinion, it is unfair to send people to hell for these acts.

  • Rafia Khawaja

    Member August 8, 2020 at 9:24 am

    Allah knows best and we cannot go against his commands. Only thing I emphasize repeatedly that such people need to be helped and not condemned

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 8, 2020 at 10:46 am

      If Allah didn’t tell you, would you consider homosexuality and eating pork a crime or immorality ?

  • Sameer Bhagwat

    Contributor August 8, 2020 at 11:02 am

    al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawood (4462)and Ibn Maajah (2561) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

  • Rafia Khawaja

    Member August 8, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    Sameer I have a request..if you quote any Hadith it should be in line with the Qur’an Sunnah. It must be based on some text from the Qur’an. So it does not matter who is relating the Hadith. Your first reaction is does it make sense to you. Could the Prophet sws say such a thing. ?Then you check whether it is in line with the Qur’an and Sunnah. Your above Hadith about the people of loot is not authentic. Every Hadith in Bukhari, Tirmizi Abu Dawood is not Sahih. We have to verify who the addresses of the Hadith were what was the occasion, what was the context. Please do not accept any hadith just it is been quoted in some famous Hadith book.

    • Sameer Bhagwat

      Contributor August 8, 2020 at 2:21 pm

      How is this hadith against Qur’an and Sunnah.. also the historical account has it that the RGCs including Abu Bakr and Ali also killed homosexuals, they just differed in the method of killing them.

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