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  • Second Coming Of Jesus

    Posted by Agha Mahmood on July 4, 2020 at 4:46 am

    Salamalikum,

    I am very confused regarding second coming of Jesus.

    Quran does not directly mention second coming of Jesus but some commentators refers to verses 4:159 and 43:61 as proof for 2nd coming. But 5:116-117 tells us the conversation on the day of judgment between Allah and Jesus, which seems to be contradictory to verses 4:159 and 43:61.

    Can you please explain what actual verses 4:159 and 43:61 means if they are not talking about Jesus ?

    Regards,

    $ohail T@hir replied 3 years, 7 months ago 4 Members · 16 Replies
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  • Second Coming Of Jesus

    $ohail T@hir updated 3 years, 7 months ago 4 Members · 16 Replies
  • Umer

    Moderator July 4, 2020 at 4:57 am

    Walikumsalam!

    Kindly refer to the image attached for explanation of Ghamidi sb. on 43:61. Kindly read it in conjunction with the following topic link & let us know if this answers your question. Thanks.

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  • Agha Mahmood

    Member July 4, 2020 at 5:51 am

    Thanks Umer for your reply.

    Do you mind giving me explanation of 43:61 in English please.

  • Umer

    Moderator July 4, 2020 at 6:44 am

    To understand what this verse is referring to, we need to take a step back and look at the historical context and the circumstances under which Jesus (sws) was given prophethood. Since we know from both Quran & Bible History that Bani-Israel were chosen to perform the duty of “Shadah” (i.e. completion of proof) on other nations, the responsibility which was later on shifted onto Bani-Ismail. To build a nation worthy of that job, they were put through an evolutionary building process which culminated at Prophet Moses (peace be upon him). This was the time when they were given formal command to take up the responsibility and start performing their obligation of establishing “Shadah” on other nations. That was the time for all the law to be laid down formally, which did happen in Torah. After that, Bani-Israel did not experience any discontinuity of Prophets within them, there were Prophets one after another within them to guide them and to establish “Shadah” on Bani-Israel; with Bani-Israel in return establishing “Shadah” on the rest of the nations. Now Bani-Israel, who were not standing in darkness, in fact they had a long held tradition of continuous prophethood among them and God’s book right by their side. Even then, they committed transgressions and betrayed the oath that they gave to God. Under such circumstances, their last prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) came among them to remind them of their Oath and their duty and He was given extraordinary miracles for completion of proof on Bani-Israel. They already had the book with them, they did not need another book, in fact they needed someone to remind them of the rationale behind that book which was mainly the law. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) came to remind them of “haqeeqat-e-Imaan” / rationale behind that law which was long forgotten by them. But Alas! They tried to kill the very person who came to save them. So the decision was made, Prophet Jesus raised above, and eternal punishment imposed on Bani-Israel.

    This verse has summarized this whole history in a few words. In words of Ghamidi sb., “This verse is referring to those extraordinary miracles of Jesus (sws) including birth without a father, ability to turn dead people alive (with ALLAH’s will) and ability to blow on scluptures of birds and they turned alive. He is the one from whom completion of proof (ittmam-e-hujjat) was established on Bani-Israel and eternal punishment imposed on them till the day of judgement. This is the basis why Quran has symbolized Jesus (sws) with the day of judgement.”

    May ALLAH help us both in our search for the truth.

    (In case of any ambiguity, please do not hesitate to write me back. )

  • Agha Mahmood

    Member July 4, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Thanks Umer.

    Do you mind explaining 4:159 ( And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness.) in context to second coming of Jesus please.

  • Umer

    Moderator July 4, 2020 at 8:45 am

    In order to understand the intended audience of this verse, we need to follow the flow of verses before this particular verse. I will put forth the simple English translation of verses from 153 to 159 and you see for yourself that these verses are addressed to people of the book of Prophet Muhammad’s time and that they will believe in this Quran as a book of GOD before their death. It is belief in Quran intended here, not belief in Jesus (sws).

    These People of the Book ask you to bring down directly to them a book from the heavens [instead of this Quran]. [This is no matter of wonder]. Of Moses they made an even greater demand. They said to him: “Show us God distinctly.” So for this rebelliousness a thunderbolt struck them. Then they worshipped the calf after obvious signs had come to them; yet We still forgave them and gave Moses clear dominance [on them]. And We raised Tur over them with a covenant with them and directed them: “Enter the gates [of the city] bowing your heads,” and told them: “Do not be disobedient in the matter of the Sabbath, and [on all these things] We took from them a firm covenant. (153-154)

    Then because they broke their covenant [We laid a curse on them] and because they denied the revelations of God and because they killed the prophets unjustly and because they said: “Our hearts have a covering on them.” – [no], in fact, it is God who has sealed their hearts because of their disbelief, so [now] they will seldom embrace faith – and because of their disbelief and vicious accusation against Mary and because of their claim: “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” – even though neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him; in fact, the matter was muddled up to them. Those who are disagreeing in this matter are inflicted with doubt about it; they do have no knowledge about it; they are only following conjectures. They certainly did not slay him; in fact, God lifted him up to him, and God is Mighty and Wise. (155-158)

    [This is a list of their crimes; so if they are now demanding that a book other than the Quran be directly revealed to them, just ignore them. O Prophet!] There is none among these People of the Book but will believe in [this Quran] before his death; and on the Day of Judgement it will bear witness against them. (159)

    (Translation by Dr. Shehzad Saleem)

  • Agha Mahmood

    Member July 4, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    Thanks so much Umer.

    • Umer

      Moderator July 7, 2020 at 6:39 am

      @Am75

      Agha Mahmood sb.

      I have edited the above reply to include the verses 153,154 as well. I think they are even more critical in understanding of the statement made in 159. Please do give it a read. Thanks

    • Agha Mahmood

      Member July 7, 2020 at 8:55 pm

      Thanks Umer,

      You mentioned that “that these verses are addressed to people of the book of Prophet Muhammad’s time and that they will believe in this Quran as a book of GOD before their death”. Now the question is did they believed in Quran as book of GOD before their death? What I know is that they didn’t. Can you please clarify.

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator July 7, 2020 at 9:15 pm

      What’s meant there is not that they would embrace Islam, but it’s relating that the evidence will be so strong in front of them that they won’t have any chance of not believing it.

    • Umer

      Moderator July 8, 2020 at 5:24 am

      Adding onto what faisal sb. said, It doesn’t mean that they will profess their belief in Quran explicitly, rather, It is an information from God regarding what lies in their hearts. They know that this is God’s word, and those who don’t, they won’t die until they confess this fact in their hearts.

      This is the same principle that Quran uses before declaring anyone Kafir (intentional denier of truth) as a terminology. Word kufar has been used in both literal sense (denier) and as a standalone terminology (intentional denier of truth) in Quran. We have no way of knowing who has denied truth intentionally after knowing it for a fact that it is the only truth. It is only divine information that can tell us about an actual condition of someone’s heart. It is the same divine information that is telling us in this verse about the condition of hearts of the people of the book.

  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator July 6, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Intezaar e Mahdi o Maseeh by Tammana Immadi

  • Agha Mahmood

    Member July 7, 2020 at 6:03 am

    Sohail, is this attached pdf by any chance available in English?

    • $ohail T@hir

      Moderator July 7, 2020 at 6:11 am

      I dont think so

  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator July 8, 2020 at 10:50 am

    اباضی متقدّمین میں سے ایک بزرگ کی نزولِ مسیح کے حوالہ سے رائے :

    الشيخ مهنا بن خلفان بن محمد البوسعيدي (وفات ۱۲۵۰ ھ) عمان کے علمائے کرام میں سے تھے.انھوں نے اباضی مسلک کے متقدّمین و متأخّرین کے اقوال اور مسائل پر انکی آراء کو کئی جلدوں میں اکٹھا کیا.اس مجموعہ کو ” لباب الآثار الواردة على الأوّلين و المتأخّرين الأخيار” کے نام سے جانا جاتا ہے.

    اسکی پہلی جلد میں صفحہ ۲۰۳ پر چوتھی صدی ہجری کے اباضی امام أبو الحسن البسيوي(المتوفّیٰ ۳۶۳ ھ) کی رائے نقل کرتے ہیں …

    ان سے نزولِ عیسی بن مریم کے حوالہ سے پوچھا گیا کہ آیا قیامت سے قبل نزول ہوگا یا نہیں؟انہوں نے جواب میں کہا کہ یہ بات ہمارے ہاں درست نہیں اور قیامت کے دن تک اب وہ دوبارہ مبعوث نہیں ہونگے.گویا چوتھی صدی میں اباضی مسلک کے ہاں نزولِ مسیح بطور عقیدہ درست تسلیم نہیں کیا جاتا تھا.

    اسی طرح موجودہ دور میں بھی بہت سے اباضی احباب کے ہاں نزولِ مسیحؑ کی روایات کو درست نہیں جانا جاتا.منقول

  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator July 8, 2020 at 11:00 am
  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator July 8, 2020 at 11:02 am

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