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  • $ohail T@hir

    Moderator September 7, 2020 at 8:28 pm

    pain

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 8, 2020 at 12:17 am

      Neurological firings

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 8, 2020 at 8:00 am

      Eg we can observe it. Anything else

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator September 8, 2020 at 9:29 am

      The point that Sohail sahab made is that we don’t see pain – we infer it through observing other phenomena. That’s exactly the point that Ghamidi sahab is trying to drive across. We don’t see God, but He’s evident from everything in this universe.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 8, 2020 at 9:31 am

      Sorry what do you mean sir when you say ‘see’ pain? We can see the cause of pain is a neurological firing from the interaction from a stimulus. What part of pain can’t we ‘see’?

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator September 8, 2020 at 9:31 am

      That’s what’s called inference.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 8, 2020 at 9:33 am

      Inference of what? Some abstract idea of pain is in humans. We wonder what is this feeling- why does it occur? We find out this specific part of the brain sends this specific signal and we feel this abstract idea of pain. The problem is not with seeing it is with the concept of the word and connotations of the idea ‘pain’

    • Faisal Haroon

      Moderator September 8, 2020 at 9:35 am

      Please research pain in more detail and what the idea of inference means.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 8, 2020 at 9:42 am

      inference

      /ˈɪnf(ə)r(ə)ns/

      noun

      a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning.

      “researchers are entrusted with drawing inferences from the data”

      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2173574309701261

      https://www.popsci.com/we-see-your-pain-literally/

      We infer from the data we gather from scientific machinery that this causes ‘pain’. Now we can say that this imaging that we have captured is the true form and being and cause of the ‘feeling’ that we associate with the concept of ‘pain’.

      So we infer from the data that this is the picture and form of pain

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