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  • Ibrahim عليه السلام Forgiveness For Parents (2)

    Posted by Ahmad Shoaib on September 14, 2020 at 8:14 am

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    a) The reference to Abraham (AS) prayer and its prohibition in Surah Taubah could relate to the prayer made at a different time than mentioned in 14:39-41 before the time the decision was made for punishment of His nation and He stopped once the decision was made. And the Prayer mentioned in 14:39-41 happened later after azab and everything, because then there was no prohibition to make prayer long after Azab related to itmam-e-hujjat happens.

    Is it plausible that Ibrahim عليه السلام was allowed to make forgiveness simply because of his promise. Otherwise- it would never be allowed for a prophet to pray for disbelievers whether soon or after azaab?

    Ahmad Shoaib replied 3 years, 7 months ago 2 Members · 2 Replies
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  • Ibrahim عليه السلام Forgiveness For Parents (2)

    Ahmad Shoaib updated 3 years, 7 months ago 2 Members · 2 Replies
  • Umer

    Moderator September 14, 2020 at 11:02 am

    It is also a possibility, I agree!

    But Ghamidi Sahab is of opinion (what I’ve understood from his explanation in Al-Bayan) that prohibition came later after prayer made at 14:39-41.

    But at the same time, the question arises that why Prophet Muhammad (sws) was not prohibited explicitly from praying for the Hypocrites? It is the presence and absence of ‘Decision of Azaab’ from what I’ve gathered so far:

    وَمِنْهُم مَّنْ عَاهَدَ اللّهَ لَئِنْ آتَانَا مِنْ فَضْلِهِ لَنَصَّدَّقَنَّ وَلَنَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الصَّالِحِيْنَ. فَلَمَّا آتَاهُمْ مِّنْ فَضْلِهِ بَخِلُوْا بِهِ وَتَوَلَّوْا وَّهُمْ مُّعْرِضُوْنَ. فَأَعْقَبَهُمْ نِفَاقًا فِيْ قُلُوْبِهِمْ إِلَى يَوْمِ يَلْقَوْنَهُ بِمَا أَخْلَفُوْا اللّهَ مَا وَعَدُوْهُ وَبِمَا كَانُوْا يَكْذِبُوْنَ. أَلَمْ يَعْلَمُوْا أَنَّ اللّهَ يَعْلَمُ سِرَّهُمْ وَنَجْوَاهُمْ وَأَنَّ اللّهَ عَلاَّمُ الْغُيُوْبِ. الَّذِيْنَ يَلْمِزُوْنَ الْمُطَّوِّعِيْنَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ فِي الصَّدَقَاتِ وَالَّذِيْنَ لَا يَجِدُوْنَ إِلَّا جُهْدَهُمْ فَيَسْخَرُوْنَ مِنْهُمْ سَخِرَ اللّهُ مِنْهُمْ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيْمٌ. اِسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ أَوْ لَا تَسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ إِنْ تَسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ سَبْعِينَ مَرَّةً فَلَن يَغْفِرَ اللّهُ لَهُمْ ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ كَفَرُوْا بِاللّهِ وَرَسُوْلِهِ وَاللّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْفَاسِقِيْنَ.

    There are also those among them who promised God: “If He blesses us with His bounty, we will surely spend in charity and will be among those who do very virtuous deeds.” But when God gave them out of His bounty, they started to show stinginess in it and turned their faces while walking away. So, as a consequence, God lodged hypocrisy in their hearts till the day they will meet Him because they went back on their promise with God and because they continued to lie. Do they not know that God is aware of their secrets and their whisperings and God knows very well everything that is hidden? They who censure Muslims regarding charity who spend it willingly and whatever they spend they earn from their hard work; so, they make fun of them. God makes fun of these who make fun and for them is a painful torment. Whether you ask forgiveness for them or not. Even if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness, God will not forgive them. This is because they committed disbelief with God and His Messenger and God does not guide such people who breach promises. (9: 75-80)

  • Ahmad Shoaib

    Contributor September 14, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    That makes sense! When the decision for azab has been made, praying for them is now haraam. But since Ibrahim AS made a promise, God made an exception for him.

    The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear to him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, lone suffering. [9:113-114]

    That would mean, however, that Ibrahim AS disowned him but carried on praying. The disowning was the tradition of the prophets. This disownment would usually mean that prayers are not made as in the case of Muhammad SAWS, but for Ibrahim AS an exception was made.

    That is my working theory.

    But there’s one problem:

    Its this part:

    but when it had become clear to him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him.

    This is written in contrast to to:

    The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only because of a promise he had promised him

    So my theory breaks apart, because it means Ibrahim AS prayed before itmaam e hujjat, and then stopped after. So this is very confusing.

    1) Either the prayer was made before itmaam e hujjat which should be no problem, prayers are allowed in this period. So why was it mentioned when the Prophet SAWS was being told not to pray?

    2)Or the prayer was after itmaam e hujjat, which raises the question of why the above verses are written in the order they are.

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