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  • Wudu And Shower

    Umer updated 1 year, 8 months ago 2 Members · 17 Replies
  • Umer

    Moderator September 17, 2020 at 6:00 am

    Please see this:

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    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 17, 2020 at 8:18 am

      I understand how ghusl is shower, but wudu has required steps it seems? What if an action that breaks wudu happens in shower?

      Would our major impurity be washed but then we have to do wudu again?

    • Umer

      Moderator September 17, 2020 at 8:52 am

      If one has any doubt then one can do a separate wuzu, there is no bar. But as a principle, wuzu happens with Ghusl (if done thoroughly) [1].

      Regarding impurity, its a matter of application which the person himself is a better judge whether he has achieved cleanliness or not.

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      [1]

      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلاةِ فاغْسِلُواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُواْ بِرُؤُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَينِ وَإِن كُنتُمْ جُنُبًا فَاطَّهَّرُواْ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَى أَوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاء أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَاء فَلَمْ تَجِدُواْ مَاء فَتَيَمَّمُواْ صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُواْ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُم مِّنْهُ مَا يُرِيدُ اللّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَـكِن يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ (6:5)

      Believers! When you rise to pray, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbow, and wipe your heads and wash your feet to the ankle. And if you are [ceremonially] unclean, bathe yourselves. But if you are sick or on a journey, or when, you have just relieved yourselves or had intercourse with women, you find no water, take some clean mud and wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not wish to burden you; He seeks only to purify you and to perfect His favour to you so that you may express gratitude. (5:6)

      …In order to come out of this state, the ceremonial bath has been prescribed. Without this bath, the prayer cannot be offered. One should have this bath in a thorough and complete manner. The Quranic words اِطَّهَرُوا (ittaharu) and اِغْتَسِلوُا (ightasilu)testify to this…

      (Excerpt from Meezan: Javed Ahmed Ghamidi)

      (Translated by Dr. Shehzad Saleem)

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 17, 2020 at 3:04 pm

      Wait sorry- even if we EG pass wind during ghusl, we can pray straight afterwards?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 1, 2022 at 9:13 pm

      ?

    • Umer

      Moderator September 3, 2022 at 11:04 pm

      If it happens when one is still in the process of Ghusl then remaining ghusl can make up for that, provided the same requirements of thoroughness and completeness have been applied after that Wuzu nullfier happened.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 3, 2022 at 11:05 pm

      What’s the evidence for that? What if one leaves the shower during ghusl and goes to the toilet and then just washes his feet for example? Doesn’t it make more sense that ghusl removed major impurity and then wudu should be fine afterwards?

    • Umer

      Moderator September 3, 2022 at 11:15 pm

      If one goes to the toilet during Ghusl, then a wuzu nullifier happened, which is something that requires Wuzu again and if one is dong Ghusl then Ghusl again. One can do Wuzu afterwards if one chooses, there is no bar on that.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 3, 2022 at 11:16 pm

      Sorry I don’t understand your reply- if one goes to toilet during ghusl he has to repeat the ghusl all over again?

    • Umer

      Moderator September 3, 2022 at 11:20 pm

      That depends, for instance, If it was a ceremonial bath and requirements of thoroughess and competeness were fulfilled before going to the toilet, then simple wuzu would suffice afterward.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 3, 2022 at 11:21 pm

      But you are saying if it were halfway through one should start from the beginning?

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 3, 2022 at 11:22 pm

      Because what’s the difference between passing wind and going to the toilet halfway?

    • Umer

      Moderator September 3, 2022 at 11:26 pm

      If I am doing ghusl as a substiute for wuzu and wuzu nullifier happens in the middle, then yes.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 3, 2022 at 11:29 pm

      My question actually was more directed towards if I’m doing ghusl to remove major impurity

    • Umer

      Moderator September 3, 2022 at 11:40 pm

      If one is doing Ghusl to remove major impurity (implying that Ghusl was not compulsory for that person at that moment).

      Then either one will do proper Ghusl as a substitute for Wuzu (either by thoroughness and cleanliness and/or by following uswa of the Prophet (sws) for Ghusl) or one will do wuzu at the end separately.

      The answer remains the same in these scenarios as well.

    • Ahmad Shoaib

      Contributor September 3, 2022 at 11:45 pm

      Im sorry that this is going on longer than I had hoped but if one is doing it to remove major impurity (after relations with wife for example) then ghusl IS compulsory.

      So let’s say one starts ghusl and halfway through needs to go to toilet. He goes and completes the other half of ghusl then does wudu at the end. Because the ghusl removed the major impurity then the wudu the mount impurity.

      Can he pray straight afterwards? Or should he have repeated ghusl all over due to the interruption?

    • Umer

      Moderator September 3, 2022 at 11:53 pm

      Yes he can pray straight afterwards.

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